What attracts you to Ftms ......

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Darbonaire

Originally Posted by Darbonaire
They seem to understand and "get" the June Cleaver lifestyle. They respect it. They don't balk at many of the common courtesies. Doors get held open, chairs pulled back, Ma'am is said...

Yes indeed....it's how I believe it should be....thanks for noticing when we do it...<smile>....

& guess what Snow....I stand by my statement totally! Doors should get held open...<in MY world> Chairs pulled back..<in MY world>.....Common courtesy, manners also...<in MY world> Now, if that makes you feel oppressed or your feminity threatened..<which I doubt btw having read many of your posts...lol> oh well. YOUR world is YOUR world & MINE is MINE. I don't post to offend anyone, but, if I can't, or anyone can't post what they feel or think on these boards, then is this any better than the outside world where we all are subjected to censorship etc.? Now no, people should not be allowed to post derogatory things about others on here, but we are ALL entitled to our opinions, yes?

Out in the r/t world we seek people who have similar interests, similar tastes in life.....common ground as it were. We are all looking to find like minded souls to travel this journey with. Well, at at least I am.

Now then...back to our regularly scheduled programming.....

Um, Darbonaire I was quoting what and how this whole thing originated. Not once did I say Darbonaire did this and that.

Please don't speak to me like I am some dimwit that doesn't get what is what I believe I have explained what the issue is what seems like millions of times.

Opinions can be stated without stepping on the desires of others. It's been said over and over and over again.

[Darbonaire]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Um, Darbonaire I was quoting what and how this whole thing originated. Not once did I say Darbonaire did this and that.

Please don't speak to me like I am some dimwit that doesn't get what is what I believe I have explained what the issue is what seems like millions of times.

Opinions can be stated without stepping on the desires of others. It's been said over and over and over again.

No, quoting me was quite enough....LOL..& believe me...."dimwit" isn't at all what I think you are...I actually find your posts enlightening, well phrased, & intelligent. Whatever the "issue" is in here, I personally wish to get back to the "issue" that is the title of the room / post.....my ego speaking there....LOL

[Darbonaire]

How is someone to know other's "opinions" will get fired up if they come into a room & then post "their opinion" ? Seriously, if I had the time to read back over 2 yrs worth of posts "maybe" I could tell where a sore spot or subject is....but really......there are folks out here...FTM & Femme who feel as you do, & who feel as I & others do.....I don't believe anyone was out to start some dicussion about the 50's....but hey....it's all ok by me.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Darbonaire

No, quoting me was quite enough....LOL..& believe me...."dimwit" isn't at all what I think you are...I actually find your posts enlightening, well phrased, & intelligent. Whatever the "issue" is in here, I personally wish to get back to the "issue" that is the title of the room / post.....my ego speaking there....LOL

are you telling me I should move along? Your postings are very silencing.

You post feels very head patting..

Care to clarify?

Oh and your ego, that shouldn't take presidence over my posts or anyone elses post who don't agree with your way of thinking.

[BullDog]

You know some of us are just trying to make an effort to clarify and understand each other better.

Opening and doors and such- "50s style" FTMS aren't the only ones with manners.

I don't quite get this some of guys just want to be guys stuff since there are plenty of FTMs and trans guys here that don't act like that way at all.

[Darbonaire]

Originally Posted by BullDog

You know some of us are just trying to make an effort to clarify and understand each other better.

Opening and doors and such- "50s style" FTMS aren't the only ones with manners.

I don't quite get this some of guys just want to be guys stuff since there are plenty of FTMs and trans guys here that don't act like that way at all.

I believe I made it clear these were MY ideals...not even trying to say they're right for you or anybody else..My life...MY ideals....

Where did you see me say that 50's FTM's are the "only ones with manners"?...Ok....out of here...wheh y'all decide to get back on topic I'll be glad to join in...till then....enjoy yourselves..>!

Oh & BTW...I'm not in to so called "guy stuff"...LOL...ask my ex ...<laughing So much at this cause you have no idea who I am or how I am>.....

[Darbonaire]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

are you telling me I should move along? Your postings are very silencing.

You post feels very head patting..

Care to clarify?

Oh and your ego, that shouldn't take presidence over my posts or anyone elses post who don't agree with your way of thinking.

Do you carry that chip on your shoulder ALL the time...My God...so I guess compliments...even sincere seem to be "dismissing" to you?...LOL...wow, <making a note to myelf on that one> & since I believe I saw a post by the MOD back aways about getting BACK to the original theme & starting a seperate room for this discussion...well, pardon me..I thought we would be doing that....wrong again I guess...Y'all enjoy the discussing..I'll come back when it's back on point.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Darbonaire

Do you carry that chip on your shoulder ALL the time...My God...so I guess compliments...even sincere seem to be "dismissing" to you?...LOL...wow, <making a note to myelf on that one> & since I believe I saw a post by the MOD back aways about getting BACK to the original theme & starting a seperate room for this discussion...well, pardon me..I thought we would be doing that....wrong again I guess...Y'all enjoy the discussing..I'll come back when it's back on point.

Um I thought you were a gentleman like the kind in the 50's? Your wording here doesn't read at all like you have manners....


Enjoy your day.

[Darbonaire]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Um I thought you were a gentleman like the kind in the 50's? Your wording here doesn't read at all like you have manners....


Enjoy your day.

Well snow....again...THAT was a specific put down...no moderator I see.....LOL...amazing....guess YOU have some moderator given right to trash or insult or be opinionated at others but we can't voice opinions ....wow....

[MarquisdeShey]

Strength - the fact a woman/man can transition into the masculine/feminine realm makes nature and nurturer incredible. We are acculturated to belittle each others potential as men and as women. Change is powerful, we all know a lava becomes a butterfly by an incredible journey, all transitioning FtM/MtF are metamorphic - mind, spirit and then body.

Sensuality - I can't help but to think of Hermaphroditus born to the gods of female and male sexuality - you are in touch with all that is intense and powerful when it comes to the carnal aspect of being human. Thus I bow my head to you, for you so gracefully walked between two lines. More so, I respect the integrity that comes from being both. It's exotic.

Beauty - we are always changing. We are always evolving. FtMs are like mirrors. We often see ourselves with one face. FtMs have experienced and touched both of their faces.

Relationships come from trust, love, respect, and integrity. Its not who, but how you love that matters. As long as we battle with issues of equality we will battle. When we no longer need to explain ourselves and defend our humanity, well, we will all be having a whole lot hot sex...Smiles...

Thanks for being who you are.

[Kent]

Bumpity bump...

[Tony]

I have read through more of this thread than I found comfortable. IMO there is a lot of passive aggressive remarks, A LOT of judging of people's choice of lifestyle/kink/behaviors & all around misunderstandings on an epic level. IMO this is a perfect example of how some topics are just too complicated to carry out in a purely written, moderated forum.
ALL OF THIS MY OPINION & VIEW ONLY.

I for one would like to get back to the original intent of this thread;

What attracts you to FTMs?

[Hominid]

Please don't speak to me like I am some dimwit that doesn't get what is what I believe I have explained what the issue is what seems like millions of times.

This assumption that Darbonaire was coming from a place of condescension is exactly the problem in this thread, and not just yours. Yes, you *feeling* that way matters a great deal. But it doesn't mean it's true. However, one cannot take this to task without also recognizing that the very complaint of some of the people who feel you have been harsh with them feel EXACTLY as you describe. They cannot find the single quote you ask for to prove that you have said something offensive. Darbonaire was not harsh - was simply explaining himself and trying valiantly to insert enough qualifiers to piss anyone off.

If you found this post offensive or irritating or condescending, you should understand very well why other's have felt the same about some of your posts.

I think the issue is multifaceted. And more than just Snow's. Even yours is convoluted and complex at this point.

I'm out, despite being on the periphery for most of it. I began by saying this is why I don't get involved. I've now reminded myself. This is the "Trans Zone" -
space IS needed for guys to be able to communicate honestly, even if they aren't feminists, even if they are struggling and getting things wrong while negotiating their way through incredibly physically, socially, and emotionally toxic waters. Femmes have their own issues but they will NEVER understand the steps along the way. Most are very compassionate and patient.

Basically, guys need their own space to be "assholes" (and I again re-assert that we are ALL assholes) and not be spoken to in the way that even Snow found condescending. So -in the next few days I or another member with whom I am talking will be setting up some kind of a space for this purpose. We need support, we are all not where we will be. We may be assholes, but we deserve the benefit of the doubt - especially in the "Trans Zone"

Hominid - human -humanist out. Feel free to pick out a phrase or a perceived tone or word and call me on the carpet now.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Hominid, have you read the TOS?


Just because you (general) are guys/FTM's doesn't mean you get to come in here and be assholes. I have provided part of the TOS:

This is a female-owned website based on Feminist principles. Please consider that when posting.
Any sexist, racist, anti-woman, hate-speech, sizist or ageist postings are unwelcome here.


I am a Leather Woman, I have thoughts and ideas too, but what I don't get to do is come in here and take a shit on those who aren't. It's ridiculous to think that just because you are in a Zone that you can act like you wanna.


Also, how Darbonaire is speaking to me, is gross. I get enough shit from cis gender males out in real time, last thing I want is to be treated this way in my safe space. Maybe if I was more submissive you'd be nicer and see things differently.

[Darbonaire]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Hominid, have you read the TOS?


Just because you (general) are guys/FTM's doesn't mean you get to come in here and be assholes. I have provided part of the TOS:

This is a female-owned website based on Feminist principles. Please consider that when posting.
Any sexist, racist, anti-woman, hate-speech, sizist or ageist postings are unwelcome here.


I am a Leather Woman, I have thoughts and ideas too, but what I don't get to do is come in here and take a shit on those who aren't. It's ridiculous to think that just because you are in a Zone that you can act like you wanna.


Also, how Darbonaire is speaking to me, is gross. I get enough shit from cis gender males out in real time, last thing I want is to be treated this way in my safe space. Maybe if I was more submissive you'd be nicer and see things differently.

But you can "shit" on other's opinions ??? Woman space or not.....there was nothing anti-woman about any of my comments....."How Darbonaire is speaking to you," is polite & guardedly so...if that's 'gross" to you..that's on you & your interpertation not my delivery or intent.

[DMW]

How the hell do we start a new thread? I have been wanting to do that and don't know how? I mentioned it before and haven't found out or had time to forage for it.

So i ask...how can i start a new thread?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DMW

How the hell do we start a new thread? I have been wanting to do that and don't know how? I mentioned it before and haven't found out or had time to forage for it.

So i ask...how can i start a new thread?

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...171#post686171

[Medusa]

Alright DAMMIT.

This bullshit of trading licks back and forth and personal jabs better stop IMMEDIATELY.

And if you haven't reported any posts, don't sit there and complain about what the Mods are or are not doing.

This thread better get back on track immediately or we are going to shut it the fuck down. ALL further posts about the 50s dynamic or June Clever need to be taken to new threads or kept to yourself.

If I see one more person take a swipe in here or cry victim because "the Mods" aren't doing something, y'all are going to think it's Halloween because the time-outs will be passed out like candy.

If I sound pissed off, I am. It's yet another Sunday when people on the forums are going ape shit. STOP IT.

[DMW]

I know i mentioned moderators in a past post...i honestly was not being snide or making a jab at any moderators here. I was speaking of the job. I personally could not do what they have to do.

I didn't know that if someone has an issue about what someone posts...then they should go to a moderator? So, moderators have to deal with that also? Ugh...

[ruffryder]

Originally Posted by Medusa

, y'all are going to think it's Halloween because the time-outs will be passed out like candy.

heheh.. we love you Medusa! This scared me because I thought something was gonna be said about scariness! But it made me crack up too!


Everybody


I want candy!! and not the time out kind..