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I am a femme and I try to never use default pronouns for butches. 33 20.50%
I am a femme, and I sometimes use "he" as a default pronoun for butches. 18 11.18%
I am a femme, and I sometimes use "she" as a default pronoun for butches. 19 11.80%
I am a femme, I sometimes use "hy" as a default pronoun for butches. 7 4.35%
I am a butch and I try to never use default pronouns for butches. 27 16.77%
I am a butch, and I sometimes use "he" as a default pronoun for butches. 17 10.56%
I am a butch, and I sometimes use "she" as a default pronoun for butches. 11 6.83%
I am a butch, I sometimes use "hy" as a default pronoun for butches. 8 4.97%
I am trans and I try to never use default pronouns for butches. 14 8.70%
I am trans, and I sometimes use "he" as a default pronoun for butches. 8 4.97%
I am trans, and I sometimes use "she" as a default pronoun for butches. 1 0.62%
I am trans, I sometimes use "hy" as a default pronoun for butches. 5 3.11%
See my answer below 11 6.83%
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Old 09-20-2013, 05:30 PM   #26
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I’m baaack.

I know I said I would let go of this, but of course I couldn’t. This statement has been festering away in my brain for days now. (I don’t like feeling erased)

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I had a long drawn out post, but it is actually much too simple for all those words: you are correct when you say that it means: "Of course it is She, what else would it be?" because my "How do you ID?" says "woman" and women use "she"?

Even if someone thought I meant "of course it's she, I'm butch!" that would be putting words in my mouth since it is my personal preferred pronoun, which means I am speaking for myself, not all butches. In all of the years I have posted on this forum and the dash site, I have never spoken for all butches (or all anything, really) and in fact would counter anyone who tried.

Ok, that is still a lot of words, but I swear it is way less then what I originally had. lol
I honestly didn’t think there was anyway I could make sense out of it but I might have now and I am hoping that Parker will come in here and give me a confirmation. Or denial, either way I really am trying to figure out context.

Generally speaking when I read something I try to look at the surrounding context to make sure I’m getting it right. If it still doesn’t work I default to the dictionary or encyclopedia. This is a case where I couldn’t make it work either way. The problem is I know that Parker is smart and more importantly, significantly better at being politically correct than I am.

So, I’ve been doing a wider search. I went out into the Internet and combed through dozens of videos, blog posts, and articles written/spoken by butches of varying ages and locations. In some cases I saw the word woman being used in a somewhat different (but unclear) way although mostly the dictionary way. Then I came back here to this website and searched the forums. I found a thread that started back in 2009, a big one about this subject. I got through 126 large posts before I found one that stated that to some people female=sex and woman=gender.

If I frame it as a gender instead of biology I can understand (after a lot of digging) what was meant. I’m looking for verification. Specifically from Parker; is this what you meant?

If it is, a little alternative definition in your reply would have gone a long way. Someone new to this site or the dynamic might not get it. I didn't.

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