Top Surgery for Butches: Have you thought about it?

[Cin]

Originally Posted by macele

if i may ask, you won't hurt my feelings if it's private, ... why don't you change your nic name?

You certainly may ask. Unfortunately I don't think I have an answer that makes sense. It has to do with not feeding into my feelings surrounding a feminine sounding title like Miss for myself. I know I chose it but I didn't expect to feel the way I do. I thought it was a cool name. And I still do, but not for me. Why I won't change it is because I am trying to move past these unfortunate feelings.

Or maybe I'm just crazy and I over think everything.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

You certainly may ask. Unfortunately I don't think I have an answer that makes sense. It has to do with not feeding into my feelings surrounding a feminine sounding title like Miss for myself. I know I chose it but I didn't expect to feel the way I do. I thought it was a cool name. And I still do, but not for me. Why I won't change it is because I am trying to move past these unfortunate feelings.

Or maybe I'm just crazy and I over think everything.

Miss Tick- I respect your choices. They're yours to make. That said, I'm sorry you don't feel free to choose a name that you feel would suit you better. Butch women can and do honour their femaleness and females/women everywhere in many ways. Butch women have been at the forefront in our feminist struggles. The increases we've had in gender equality, though not nearly large enough, would not have come about at all without the tireless efforts of butch women who are dedicated feminists. That could be considered selfless activism since the benefits of those moves towards equality often don't reach butches who face a higher level of discrimination just because of how they present. Moreover, butches continually find themselves in harm's way simply by walking in the world as unabashed masculine women in a culture where hyper-femininity in women is overvalued, and the mere existence of female masculinity is considered a direct threat to men. By walking out in the world as the masculine woman that you are, you give women everywhere more freedom to present in the ways that feel right for them. Would I be overcooking this if I said that I think your existence is a daily service to women everywhere? I do feel that way, even if it seems corny.

I think you have enough trouble. This environment at bfp is supposed to be fun and welcoming. Please consider making yourself more comfortable. No one will judge you for it.

Unless you start calling yourself Dudley Do-Right. Then we'll all laugh.

[BullDog]

I am happy femmes are participating in here as well. I would also love to have any trans guys or anyone else here who wants to share their experiences, info or insights with butches considering top surgery.

[girl_dee]

as a femme i would be completely supportive if my partner chose to have top surgery.. also if she does not.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by CherylNYC

Unless you start calling yourself Dudley Do-Right. Then we'll all laugh.

Thank you for everything you said. i really appreciate it.

You're right it is supposed to be fun and welcoming. I should allow myself to be more comfortable. I'll probably go back to darkgazer. Or maybe I'll come up with something new.

But Dudley Do-Right is off the table.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

But Dudley Do-Right is off the table.

Well, I'm glad that's settled.

[macele]

Originally Posted by Miss Tick

You certainly may ask. Unfortunately I don't think I have an answer that makes sense. It has to do with not feeding into my feelings surrounding a feminine sounding title like Miss for myself. I know I chose it but I didn't expect to feel the way I do. I thought it was a cool name. And I still do, but not for me. Why I won't change it is because I am trying to move past these unfortunate feelings.

Or maybe I'm just crazy and I over think everything.

i like Boston. i'm going to start calling you Boston. yeah, and you better answer! LOL

[Cin]

Originally Posted by macele

i like Boston. i'm going to start calling you Boston. yeah, and you better answer! LOL

LOL! That's funny cause years ago when I first posted on the dash site, like 1999 I think it was, I had the nic boston butch. I wandered away and when I came back somebody else had it. I live in Canada now, but Montreal Butch just doesn't have the same ring to it. I'm thinking maybe Titty Baby.

Sorry for the derail.

[TruTexan]

I'm with Kobi, I don't have any issues with my breasts either. The only thing that bothers me about them at times is they tend to get in the way when I am doing things like working on my truck. LOL
But, if they get any larger from weight gain, now that would make me want to consider losing more weight or getting a size reduction to take the pain off my back, I already have back issues and don't need anymore. Otherwise, I'm alright with them.
I think Ms.Tick is a cute name for a butch woman. ....just sayin.

[Jess]

every.single.day.

If I had a way to afford it, they would be gone in a heartbeat....

[Loren_Q]

I'm small breasted, and glad for it. My size doesn't effect how I view myself, but I do think if I were larger breasted it might.

My spouse (also butch) did have issues with her breast size so opted for breast reduction surgery in the 90s. It was covered under insurance because there was a record of back and shoulder pain. The surgeon didn't have an issue going down to an A cup (from a triple D) and that's what she did.

Funny story: Spouse and I were at a conference a couple of weeks before her surgery. I knew 2 of the women there had recently gotten breast reductions and I asked if they would speak to my spouse about their experiences. So the four of us got together, the women explaining their experiences and one said "removed 5 lbs from one and 5-1/2 from the other".

I looked down at my chest thinking "Pounds of breast? 10.5 pounds removed? Crap, I bowl that weight". I've not been able to go bowling since.

[Scots_On_The_Rocks]

I think about it ALL the time. Sadly, finances are such that it will most likely never happen. But yeah, it'd be nice to shed these "Huge...tracts of land" (40DD).

[easygoingfemme]

May I chime in as (tomboy) femme?
I can certainly understand the desire for top surgery, even totally unrelated to gender identification.

I am grateful every day that I am very small up top. I never need to wear more than an undershirt and that's to keep warm. If I was larger I would certainly want them off/reduced greatly. It would be uncomfortable to me physically and emotionally.

[Joness]

Hi Folks,

I have just read through every single one of the replies to this thread. Just wanted to say thank you so much to both Miss Tick for posting and everyone who responded. All so very interesting and informative.

I am considering Top Surgery but for lack of anyone around here to talk to about it and no one who has experience of it, my internal dialogue consists of:

'this is what I want, why am I not doing it??'
'I don't belong IN a body that has breasts . . . I belong ON a body that has breasts . . .'
'I don't want to alienate myself from the female community completely, but, I do want a flat chest'

Argh . . . anyways, loving being part of the BFP community - feeling less isolated :-) thank you :-)

[easygoingfemme]

Sidebar question I have pondered with my partner:
If a female identified person has top surgery, can they legally walk around topless? Because that would be *awesome*.

[apollo]

i've definitely considered top surgery. since i've only been butch a short amount of time i don't have binders or boxers and whatnot, and i haven't talked about with my doctor about hormones let alone surgery lol. i've done some looking into it and from what i've found getting the surgery is not easy (i'm not sure what i was expecting, it's surgery after all ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). it's expensive if your insurance doesn't cover it (in the realm of 10k), the larger your breasts are the more sensation you'll lose (i have DD's lmao), and i think you need a letter from a doctor saying you're not having a nervous breakdown and spontaneously chopping your tits off. that being said i look forward to the possibility of being flat chested

[Lyte]

It's on my "... if ever I have more money than I know what to do with... " list. It would be primarily for a comfort sort of thing not really gender related. Hell, even with tits I get called Sir. Iol.

[JDeere]

I've considered a reduction but not complete top surgery. It's expensive on my end due to no insurance and I might not survive another surgery, long story on that. But yeah I've hated mine since I was a young kid.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by JDeere

I've considered a reduction but not complete top surgery. It's expensive on my end due to no insurance and I might not survive another surgery, long story on that. But yeah I've hated mine since I was a young kid.

You can get Obamacare, just like everyone else. Although your State has chosen to not do their own exchanges ( because Rick Perry wants you all to continue to be the state with the highest uninsured rate in the country), you can still get insurance (even though it is going to cost you more because...well Rick Perry), through the federal exchanges.

http://obamacarefacts.com/insurance-...ance-exchange/

If you meet the criteria for reduction, insurance will pay for it.

Since the state of Texas is anti trans, Texas does not require insurance companies to provide trans services (so yes, would have to pay out of pocket for top surgery, most likely).

[imperfect_cupcake]

About half of my partners - who were absolutely fine with being female - thought about it. usually reduction and not removal. just going down to an A cup. Very small. I said "well, I had mine lifted when I was 25 and felt *way* better for it. I'd do it again if I could..."

people get tattoos and bolts put through their penises, so I told them to get the reduction to as small as they wanted. I got mine fixed and tightened up 20 years ago. why shouldn't it be ok to do it the way they want, aesthetically?