Stone Butches

Martina · 01-17-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by fatallyblonde

t.. men CANNOT give us what we need and want... and men are NOT what we desire. outsiders can judge us based only on what they observe with their detachment from that... but the can never FEEL what we feel...
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There are bisexual stone femmes. There are stone femmes who ID as transsensual or some version of that. So there are stone femmes who desire men.

Re the second comment, how do you know what other people feel?

C0LLETTE · 01-17-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina

There are bisexual stone femmes. There are stone femmes who ID as transsensual or some version of that. So there are stone femmes who desire men.

Re the second comment, how do you know what other people feel?

So, for me, there it is: "transsensual or some version of that". What does that mean and, perhaps more important, what are the versions of it?. There are billions of people on this planet. Something tells me there are billions of versions of everything... and when it comes to sex, billions of things that get us off. Then, if you consider the role of the mind, maybe "billions" isn't nearly big enough.

Martina · 01-17-2014, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So, for me, there it is: "transsensual or some version of that". What does that mean and, perhaps more important, what are the versions of it?

A transensual femme is primarily attracted to transmen. By versions, I meant other names. I am sure there are other ways some femmes ID to indicate their sexual orientation towards transmen. SOFFA used to be rather widely used. I don't have more to add.

C0LLETTE · 01-17-2014, 06:49 PM

We can label subset ourselves all the way down till we can finally say there is no one else on the planet that exactly fits this label except me. But why? Even Mendel wanted some sort of outcome from all that segregating and assorting.

Martina · 01-17-2014, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

We can label subset ourselves all the way down till we can finally say there is no one else on the planet that exactly fits this label except me. But why? Even Mendel wanted some sort of outcome from all that segregating and assorting.

I don't understand how that is a response to either of my posts. Can you explain?

Which ID are you taking issue with and why? These are ID's in common currency. Stone and transensual. I really don't follow your point.

C0LLETTE · 01-17-2014, 08:08 PM

hope you take this as impersonally and harmlessly as I intend it:

It just seems to me that if these IDs were in as common currency as suggested, there'd be a lot less confusion about them, as many of these threads indicate. We accept prima face that something useful is accomplished by all these labels being broken down into ever smaller subsets.. maybe there are diminishing returns in terms of confusion and the obliteration of our commonality.
I'm just not so sure how useful it is to stick new prefixes on every noun in our vocabulary rather than just describing behaviours. Lately there has been a tendency to segregate and label just about all human behaviours so we can conveniently move on to the next label-able behaviour. I'm just not so sure this is useful.

morningstar55 · 01-17-2014, 06:51 PM

wow its been a long time since i been in here.. heh ....
will read some more....

fatallyblonde · 01-17-2014, 07:56 PM

I feel like the context makes it pretty clear who I'm referring to, actually. I think people are intelligent enough to extrapolate from context without a zillion caveats and qualifications.

RockOn · 01-17-2014, 08:07 PM

Excellent post and extremely well-stated!

Martina · 01-17-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fatallyblonde

I feel like the context makes it pretty clear who I'm referring to, actually. I think people are intelligent enough to extrapolate from context without a zillion caveats and qualifications.

You spoke for all stone femmes and said something like we don't desire men. My point was that some stone femmes do. Since then I haven't understood what the heck either you or Collette have been talking about.

C0LLETTE · 01-17-2014, 08:42 PM

I've tried to express my thoughts as best I can. Seems I've fallen short and for that I apologise. Thank you for your attention but I believe I've exhausted my abilities. Maybe next time. Thank you again.

01-17-2014, 06:51 PM	#7
morningstar55 Senior Member How Do You Identify?: femme,she Preferred Pronoun?: she,her, Relationship Status: very single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: western NY Posts: 3,809 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,280 Thanked 4,240 Times in 1,845 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	wow its been a long time since i been in here.. heh .... will read some more.... __________________ -------------------------------------------- life is to short to wake up in the morning with regrets so love the people who treat you right, forget about the ones who dont, and believe that everything happens for a reason. If you get a chance take it... if it changes your life let it.

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01-17-2014, 06:49 PM	#4
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,167 Times in 4,340 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	We can label subset ourselves all the way down till we can finally say there is no one else on the planet that exactly fits this label except me. But why? Even Mendel wanted some sort of outcome from all that segregating and assorting.

01-17-2014, 08:08 PM	#6
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,167 Times in 4,340 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	hope you take this as impersonally and harmlessly as I intend it: It just seems to me that if these IDs were in as common currency as suggested, there'd be a lot less confusion about them, as many of these threads indicate. We accept prima face that something useful is accomplished by all these labels being broken down into ever smaller subsets.. maybe there are diminishing returns in terms of confusion and the obliteration of our commonality. I'm just not so sure how useful it is to stick new prefixes on every noun in our vocabulary rather than just describing behaviours. Lately there has been a tendency to segregate and label just about all human behaviours so we can conveniently move on to the next label-able behaviour. I'm just not so sure this is useful.

01-17-2014, 07:56 PM	#8
fatallyblonde Member How Do You Identify?: lesbian femme Preferred Pronoun?: She/Her Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: earth Posts: 446 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 389 Thanked 770 Times in 181 Posts Rep Power: 7054722	I feel like the context makes it pretty clear who I'm referring to, actually. I think people are intelligent enough to extrapolate from context without a zillion caveats and qualifications.

01-17-2014, 08:42 PM	#11
C0LLETTE Practically Lives Here How Do You Identify?: Depends on the day. Preferred Pronoun?: "I" and "we" Relationship Status: Very good. Thank you for asking. Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 11,501 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 16,676 Thanked 15,167 Times in 4,340 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	I've tried to express my thoughts as best I can. Seems I've fallen short and for that I apologise. Thank you for your attention but I believe I've exhausted my abilities. Maybe next time. Thank you again.