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Old 05-09-2010, 10:42 PM   #401
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Toughy, you post brings one thought to my mind: If one must possess *Moral Turpitude* to attain citizenship in the US of A, then why are the politicians and law enforcement members of our populus NOT checked off on *Moral Turpitude*?

BTW, mi familia also contains a cousin who is a Judge in Belen, NM. This cousin would be stopped and asked to produce papers toot sweet in AZ land.

Frightening. Abso-fucking-lutely Frightening.
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It's sad that sports now has become more political oriented.
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It's sad that sports now has become more political oriented.

Here is the thing Andrew...

Sports should be paying attention to what is going on in Arizona, so should entertainers, and any other person with some form of power with the press..

They just passed a law that profiles a specific type of people... Guess what?

Brown people play sports.... So, they should be like oh hell not I am not giving that state any of my $'s when they so obviously take the time to pull me over and tag me as undocumented due to my brown skin.
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It's sad that sports now has become more political oriented.
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Sports has always had *some* politics involved in it. Hitler wanted the Olympics in Berlin to show how wonderful Germany was. Mohammed Ali raised his fist in protest at the Olympics to protest the Vietnam War and racism in America. The United States pulled out of the 1980 Olympics because of Russia's invasion of Afghanistan. Russia pulled out of the 1984 Olympics in retaliation. Jackie Robsinson taking the major league field for the first time was not just an athletic event but a profoundly *political* one.
After 9/11 every sports team in the country, it seemed, tried to fall over one another being more patriotic than thou.

What's more, as Lady Snow points out, there are more than a few brown people who play for these teams. I am actually quite pleased that MLB is trying to come up with a response to this law. It would be an insult to players who might be caught up in this law (or their families) and to the fans if they just pretended that the Arizona law didn't exist.
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I normally don't quote my own posts but this occurred to me. MLB should be proud of itself. Their standing up to be counted in opposition to the Arizona law is as profound a political statement as when MLB integrated. It was a proud day for baseball when Jackie Robinson took the field for the first time and it's a proud day for baseball when they took the risk of standing against the Arizona law. Given the political heat they can and will get for this, it was a brave thing.
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It's sad that sports now has become more political oriented.

I gotta add

ALOT of kids look up to sports figures.. I would imagine all them kids in Arizona are kinda walking around all puffy chested with pride that their sports hero is NOT backing up this law and well that is a hella better example than say..

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Wow WTF - ugh ugh ugh

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That is an interesting boycott, and shows why it is hard to make an impact by doing so. I mean, if Los Angeles wants to boycott and is behind it...then that might mean Los Angeles has to cut off it's own nose so to speak. It doesn't seem that they are willing to do so.
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"federation for american immigration reform" -founders and board members are linked to white supremacists, financially and otherwise.


Watching Maddow's interview withy FAIR's head (very arrogant asshole) bigot was great. This organization is really scary and needs to be exposed for exactly what it is!
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PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer has signed a bill targeting a school district's ethnic studies program, hours after a report by United Nations human rights experts condemned the measure.

State schools chief Tom Horne, who has pushed the bill for years, said he believes the Tucson school district's Mexican-American studies program teaches Latino students that they are oppressed by white people.

Public schools should not be encouraging students to resent a particular race, he said.

"It's just like the old South, and it's long past time that we prohibited it," Horne said.

Brewer's signature on the bill Tuesday comes less than a month after she signed the nation's toughest crackdown on illegal immigration — a move that ignited international backlash amid charges the measure would encourage racial profiling of Hispanics. The governor has said profiling will not be tolerated.

The measure signed Tuesday prohibits classes that advocate ethnic solidarity, that are designed primarily for students of a particular race or that promote resentment toward a certain ethnic group.

The Tucson Unified School District program offers specialized courses in African-American, Mexican-American and Native-American studies that focus on history and literature and include information about the influence of a particular ethnic group.

For example, in the Mexican-American Studies program, an American history course explores the role of Hispanics in the Vietnam War, and a literature course emphasizes Latino authors.

Horne, a Republican running for attorney general, said the program promotes "ethnic chauvinism" and racial resentment toward whites while segregating students by race. He's been trying to restrict it ever since he learned that Hispanic civil rights activist Dolores Huerta told students in 2006 that "Republicans hate Latinos."

District officials said the program doesn't promote resentment, and they believe it would comply with the new law.

The measure doesn't prohibit classes that teach about the history of a particular ethnic group, as long as the course is open to all students and doesn't promote ethnic solidarity or resentment.

About 1,500 students at six high schools are enrolled in the Tucson district's program. Elementary and middle school students also are exposed to the ethnic studies curriculum. The district is 56 percent Hispanic, with nearly 31,000 Latino students.

Sean Arce, director of the district's Mexican-American Studies program, said last month that students perform better in school if they see in the curriculum people who look like them.

"It's a highly engaging program that we have, and it's unfortunate that the state Legislature would go so far as to censor these classes," he said.

Six UN human rights experts released a statement earlier Tuesday saying all people have the right to learn about their own cultural and linguistic heritage, they said.

Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman didn't directly address the UN criticism, but said Brewer supports the bill's goal.

"The governor believes ... public school students should be taught to treat and value each other as individuals and not be taught to resent or hate other races or classes of people," Senseman said.

Arce could not immediately be reached after Brewer signed the bill late Tuesday.
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I wonder if they'll review all of the US History classes for content. Back when I went to school they pretty much seemed to be designed for white people. That's a no-no under this law.
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Wow! We really have to applaud them!
Cypress Hill has cancelled an upcoming concert in Arizona as way to protest the RIDICULOUS and unconstitutional immigration law that allows officials to detain anyone they think might be an illegal immigrant.
The group says in a statement:
"This decision was made in an effort to show support and solidarity with those, undocumented and otherwise, being directly affected by this unconstitutional law. Cypress Hill recognizes those living in the struggle for their basic civil rights."
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Cypress Hill has cancelled an upcoming concert in Arizona as way to protest the RIDICULOUS and unconstitutional immigration law that allows officials to detain anyone they think might be an illegal immigrant.
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I heard on the news today that there are several other states (I think they said six, but it could be more) who are considering enacting legislation like Arizona's. They include Texas, South Carolina and Ohio. Oh boy, this is going to be a mess. Obviously the ulterior motive is to force the federal government to enact immigration legislation, but this is going to be one unholy mess.
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Most Americans approve of Arizona's law on illegal immigrants


By Margaret Talev, McClatchy Newspapers Margaret Talev, Mcclatchy Newspapers – Wed May 12, 5:12 pm ET

WASHINGTON — A strong majority of Americans support Arizona's controversial new immigration law and would back similar laws in their own states, a new McClatchy-Ipsos poll found.

Sixty-one percent of Americans — and 64 percent of registered voters — said they favored the law in a survey of 1,016 adults conducted May 6-9 .
Strikingly, nearly half of Democrats like the law, under which local law enforcement officers are tasked with verifying people's immigration status if they suspect them of being in the country illegally. While the Democratic Party generally is regarded as more sympathetic to illegal immigrants' plights, 46 percent of Democrats said they favored the law for Arizona and 49 percent said they'd favor the law's passage in their own states.
More than 8 in 10 Republicans and 54 percent of independents favor the law.

In addition, about 69 percent of Americans said they wouldn't mind if police officers stopped them to ask for proof of their citizenship or legal rights to be in the country; about 29 percent would mind, considering it a violation of their rights; and about 3 percent were unsure.

A separate Pew Research Center poll on the Arizona law released Wednesday found similar sentiments.

In the McClatchy-Ipsos poll, almost two-thirds of Americans said illegal immigration was a real problem that hurt the country; they were evenly split as to whether the jobs illegal immigrants take are ones that Americans don't want.

The McClatchy-Ipsos poll had an error margin of plus or minus 3.07 percentage points for all those surveyed and 3.26 percentage points for registered voters.

These results speak to the political land mines that immigration policy presents for President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats. Obama has called the Arizona law misguided. The Justice Department is considering a lawsuit to block it, concerned about the implications for civil rights and for police, who might be diverted from basic public safety-tasks or find it harder to talk to potential witnesses in criminal investigations.
The poll results also illustrate the uphill battle that immigrant-rights activists face in pushing Congress to pass legislation that would pair tougher border enforcement — which is universally popular — with a path to citizenship for immigrants who are here now illegally.

While many Democratic politicians, including Obama, favor such so-called comprehensive legislation, they lack the bipartisan support needed to make it law.

Heading into this year's congressional elections, they also face an electorate that's sensitive to losing jobs or diverting services to undocumented laborers, because of the economic crisis.

The nonpartisan Pew survey found that 73 percent of Americans approve of requiring people to verify their legal status and two-thirds support police detaining people who can't. Pew's survey of 994 adults also was conducted May 6-9
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The Pew survey identified an age gap: Just 45 percent of people younger than 30 approve of the Arizona law, while three-fourths of Americans 65 and older approve.

The Pew poll had an error margin of plus or minus 4 percentage points for the overall sample.
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