It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by BullDog

DomnNC can I ask you a simple question, what is your point? No one needs to have any advanced degree or certain level of income to understand that racial profiling is wrong.

There are more opportunities than any time in the history of the world for people to be informed of what is going on around them. Even so, I still don't understand what needs to be studied or kept up on to know that racial profiling is wrong. We're talking about how human beings should be treated here.

The state of our economy and the fact that so many people are homeless and suffering is completely unacceptable. I think we all agree on that.

Excuse me bulldog, I've said time and time again that I'm against racial profiling and that it's wrong. This isn't what I've been talking about, how about going back and reading what I've said. I've been talking about lumping an entire state of people together and treating those who voted against the current administration in Arizona together and taking them to task or holding their feet to the fire blaming them or making them feel less than simply because they live in Arizona. It was offerred up that people have "bent over backwards" to make them see they weren't doing than and then adding a however blah blah blah. That simply wasn't the case. That's my point.

[Corkey]

DNC please point it out where anyone has done this. I'm a facts based kinda guy, and I haven't seen one post like you are describing. Post number would be helpful.

[BullDog]

I have read your posts and I've read other people's posts and haven't seen anyone lumping all people together.

Edit: what does this have to do with you saying people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances?

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.<subtext face> know what I'm saying?

I never said you were stupid and I was not speaking about AJ, I was speaking about all people with an education and how they come off to people at times. You made the assumption I was speaking solely of her and that is simply not true.

I worked damn hard to get my education as well, I got it all on my own without the aid of scholarships or of my parents money. I made a choice to serve our country in order to get my education and I paid for the remainder on my own working part time and such. What's that got to do with anything?? We're talking about racial profiling, which AGAIN, I will state I am against!

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

DNC please point it out where anyone has done this. I'm a facts based kinda guy, and I haven't seen one post like you are describing. Post number would be helpful.

I'm not playing your game. If you are truly interested then go back and read the posts like I did.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I'm not playing your game. If you are truly interested then go back and read the posts like I did.

Dude it isn't a game I assure you and I have followed this thread from page 1

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I have read your posts and I've read other people's posts and haven't seen anyone lumping all people together.

Edit: what does this have to do with you saying people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances?

Laughs, I never said that people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances. Geez, people, get a freaking grip. Go back and read what all I've said and put it together.

There was a post where it was said that ignorant voters got what they deserved if they voted to keep the idiots in office and if the state goes bankrupt or they lose their livelihood it was their own fault for being so ignorant. Not ALL people who vote are ignorant, some don't have access to keep up with current events, it was mentioned they could talk to peer's and I said well those peers could be uninformed as well and told em to vote for the idiots, ya'll act like that can never happen!! It CAN!

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Dude it isn't a game I assure you and I have followed this thread from page 1

Well if you haven't seen how some people were lumped together, taken to task because they didn't choose to use the "appropriate" wording to suit everyone on the planet then all I can say is you turned a blind eye to it to be in the popular crowd. See the previous post where it was said that ALL of Arizona deserved what they were getting because the idiots were voted back into office. Not all voted for the idiots.

[betenoire]

Below are two people who attempted to clarify that nobody is vilifying every person who lives in AZ, nor is anybody saying that every person who lives in AZ is a big mean racial profiler who is sucking on Jan Brewers dirty toes.

That should clear everything up. I even cut Aj's post down to smaller and bolded the part I was talking about specifically so you didn't have to read her entire post - I know how much you hate to do that.

Originally Posted by betenoire

No, nobody in the thread said that.

However - the majority of the people that live in Arizona must be. The evidence of this is easy enough to find, that awful Brewer woman got elected this November (evidence 1) and public opinion polls show that the majority of Arizona residents are in favour of her shitty bill (evidence 2).

So while OBVIOUSLY the people responding to this thread DO GET that not every single person who lives in AZ is a racist douchebag - the fact remains that THE STATE of Arizona (the State being Arizona's politicians, policies, police force, people in charge and popular vote) IS indeed racist. That is the name that Arizona has made for itself.

It's like when I say "America is a bully". I obviously don't think that Nat, Aj, Snow, or my American spouse are bullies - but I DO think that America (her military reach, her foreign policy, her talking heads, her most vocal voters) IS a bully. That is the place that she's carved out for herself in the world.

Originally Posted by dreadgeek

QoS:

I'm not sure why you think that anyone is saying that you should claim the hatred or discrimination just because of your locale. I DO think that it is incumbent upon people in Arizona to be aware of what is happening (but that is because I think it's incumbent upon all citizens to be aware of what is happening) but that is quite a far cry from saying you should claim that hatred.

It seems to me that the AZ residents are taking some of this overly personal. No one is saying that you or Cody are personally in favor of this law--unless and until you give us reason to believe that you are. The people who wrote this law are responsible. The people who voted for Ms. Brewer or any other politician who supports it are responsible. Anyone who didn't vote is responsible.

[BullDog]

No one said all voters are ignorant. You seriously are not making sense to me. I am off to work. I will catch up with the reading later.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Well if you haven't seen how some people were lumped together, taken to task because they didn't choose to use the "appropriate" wording to suit everyone on the planet then all I can say is you turned a blind eye to it to be in the popular crowd. See the previous post where it was said that ALL of Arizona deserved what they were getting because the idiots were voted back into office. Not all voted for the idiots.

Post number or Quote it I don't have the time to go looking up ghosts.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I bet all them people know the names of The "Cougar Town" cast.

[DomnNC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Post number or Quote it I don't have the time to go looking up ghosts.

Laughs, like I said I'm not playing your game. I don't answer to you or anyone else for that matter. If you want to be fair minded then you'd go read yourself.

And to the posting of those 2 little posts where the bend over backwards supposedly happened. I believe you were the one that said everyone in the state of Arizona was getting what was coming to them, I could be wrong and if so I do apologize. You can bend over backwards all day long saying something but the however that quickly follows immediately negates the bending over backward part.

I have an errand to run, ya'll have fun!

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I believe you were the one that said everyone in the state of Arizona was getting what was coming to them, I could be wrong and if so I do apologize.

Actually, I said that people who do not vote get what they deserve, meaning they get the government that they deserve.

Insert apology here.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Laughs, like I said I'm not playing your game. I don't answer to you or anyone else for that matter. If you want to be fair minded then you'd go read yourself.

And to the posting of those 2 little posts where the bend over backwards supposedly happened. I believe you were the one that said everyone in the state of Arizona was getting what was coming to them, I could be wrong and if so I do apologize. You can bend over backwards all day long saying something but the however that quickly follows immediately negates the bending over backward part.

I have an errand to run, ya'll have fun!

Sorry I don't bend over for anyone, have a nice night, I still wish you would back up your accusations, but I can see that isn't going to happen.

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

Strange talk coming from someone who's posts are equally long and who's arguments are all over the map. Not being willing to read the information so easily provided to you is a classic example of willful ignorance. You have an opinion that appears to not be based on facts or reason, you're sticking to it, you're not willing to engage, and you're not willing to consider facts and information being presented.

[Corkey]

I'd like to know when having an opinion based in fact becomes somehow being one of any kind of crowd. And when being articulate is seen as anything other than a good thing. Times they are a' changin'

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

Laughs, I never said that people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances. Geez, people, get a freaking grip. Go back and read what all I've said and put it together.

Um, post 944?

And there are REALLY people who live in rural areas with NO mode of transportation, no income to take a bus into a city, no income to buy a paper, no income to buy a cheap radio as you say and NO income to barely keep their family afloat and out of starvation. Do you think people who are living on the streets, pulling food out of garbage cans to feed themselves and their kids are going to be focused on what is going on in Arizona or any other state for that matter. They are trying to survive!!. If you think there are NOT those types of situations in the US then you are ignorant to their plight as well!

Or perhaps post 932?

People seem to forget that during these economic hard times that some people cannot afford television, radios, newspapers, INTERNET ACCESS, COMPUTERS, or treks into a nearby larger city where one may learn of political activism and what is going on in their own back yard.

[Thinker]

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[betenoire]

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