Stone Butches - Page 16

DapperButch · 12-20-2015, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55

...... who has read the ever so popular
"Stone Butch Blues "
yes ?? no ???
here is a link to download a free copy of the whole book.
Merry Christmas ..

http://www.lesliefeinberg.net

Nice of you to link this!

RIP Leslie Feinberg

MsTinkerbelly · 12-20-2015, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55

...... who has read the ever so popular
"Stone Butch Blues "
yes ?? no ???
here is a link to download a free copy of the whole book.
Merry Christmas ..

http://www.lesliefeinberg.net

It was easy to download, even on my old iPad.

I remember starting to read this to someone years ago, but I never got a chance to finish it.

Thank you for posting the link.

chai~ · 12-21-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch

Nice of you to link this!

RIP Leslie Feinberg

I am working on it right now actually!

*Anya* · 12-21-2015, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55

...... who has read the ever so popular
"Stone Butch Blues "
yes ?? no ???
here is a link to download a free copy of the whole book.
Merry Christmas ..

http://www.lesliefeinberg.net

Thank you for this! It is just wonderful that it is free.

I never read it and always intended to get around to it.

Now I will.

*Anya* · 08-19-2016, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55

...... who has read the ever so popular
"Stone Butch Blues "
yes ?? no ???
here is a link to download a free copy of the whole book.
Merry Christmas ..

http://www.lesliefeinberg.net

In case there is someone else that has never read the book. It is still free for download.

I am glad that I read it.

Lyte · 08-19-2016, 05:14 PM

Seems like a lifetime ago when I read it. It was like reading a foreign language. It didn't become more clear until many years later when I began exploring my butch side.

StoicStone · 06-06-2017, 08:54 AM

I am an old stone butch. Back in the day, as they say, I was told by other stones in my area that stone meant the butch had no desire to be penetrated and the femme had no desire to penetrate anyone. There could be any varying degree of what boundary the butch or femme had as to touching the butch in any other way and they needed to state their boundaries to each other..but it was generally true that a stone butch did not want their junk touched at all..no touching below the waist. Some of us wanted no touching of any female part on our bodies. The butch usually looked a bit more masculine physically, i.e more narrow hips, masculine dress, but it was not always the case, and the femmes...well they just looked like str8 women pretty much.
The same was true for the mentality , with butches having a more masculine way of thinking, but not necessarily just like biological males, and femmes just, well, thinking like girls.
Everything seems to be a bit more fluid these days and I am no longer sure what exactly stone can be defined as, or even if sexuality can be defined and labeled at all. All I know is I have always identified as stone,and still qualify by the old definition easily, so stone I am lol

Lyte · 06-06-2017, 01:20 PM

You're not kidding! Seems like... back in the day... titles / labels / whatever ... had pretty discrete definitions. Now... if you offer up a title / label / whatever it becomes a whole discussion. lol <-- not a bad thing but ya know...

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Originally Posted by StoicStone

Everything seems to be a bit more fluid these days and I am no longer sure what exactly stone can be defined as, or even if sexuality can be defined and labeled at all.

See now... back in my day (just meaning in my neck o' woods)... I only knew of stone butches. Only in the last couple of years have I learned about stone femmes! Who knew?!

BUT ... in the case of a stone femme ... they can go either way (so to speak!) in that they may have no desire to penetrate OR have no desire to be penetrated!

Sexuality has definitely become UBER fluid!

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Originally Posted by StoicStone

...and the femme had no desire to penetrate anyone.

Stone-Butch · 06-06-2017, 02:04 PM

I totally agree with Stoyc .

I read Stone Butch Blues and also met Leslie in Buffalo at one of her meets. My book is signed by her "In memory of Stonewall". She was a wonderful speaker and had quite a crowd. She is sorely missed by all that were touched by her words. RIP Leslie.

Gemme · 06-06-2017, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

See now... back in my day (just meaning in my neck o' woods)... I only knew of stone butches. Only in the last couple of years have I learned about stone femmes! Who knew?!

BUT ... in the case of a stone femme ... they can go either way (so to speak!) in that they may have no desire to penetrate OR have no desire to be penetrated!

I was told that that was difference between a Stone Femme and a Stonefemme.

BullDog · 06-06-2017, 05:37 PM

For me stone means constant so relating fluid to stone doesn't resonate with me at all, but to each their own.

Lyte · 06-06-2017, 06:07 PM

Wait... what??? So... "Touch me!" and "Don't touch me!" are separated by a wee lil space??? lol

Okay... so... if I meet I gal who's femme and stone ... I'll be sure to have her write it out.... so I'll know which one she means.

I'm not laughing in your direction Gemme! I'm just laughing us... humans... we're so complicated and funny! Particularly when it comes to sex!

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Originally Posted by Gemme

I was told that that was difference between a Stone Femme and a Stonefemme.

BullDog · 06-06-2017, 06:09 PM

I think the distinction between Stone Femme and Stonefemme could be useful, but it doesn't seem to me that everyone uses them and/or distinguishes between them in the same way. I've seen both used by femmes who partner with stone butches.

Gemme · 06-06-2017, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

Wait... what??? So... "Touch me!" and "Don't touch me!" are separated by a wee lil space??? lol

Okay... so... if I meet I gal who's femme and stone ... I'll be sure to have her write it out.... so I'll know which one she means.

I'm not laughing in your direction Gemme! I'm just laughing us... humans... we're so complicated and funny! Particularly when it comes to sex!

Are you kidding? You know what difference a COMMA makes? It's life changing!

Example:

Let's eat, Grandma!

or

Let's eat Grandma!

~ocean · 06-06-2017, 10:29 PM

I am a stone femme ~ I love penetration , I don't have a desire to penetrate my lover. Everyone is different. We all just have different desires.~

Lyte · 06-07-2017, 02:11 AM

You are so right!

My thought was ... it's two very different meanings with (essentially) the same name... when spoken. Which is why I said I'd have to have the gal write down her preference. Iol Written down... then I'd know if she was with a space or without a space femme.

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Originally Posted by Gemme

Are you kidding? You know what difference a COMMA makes? It's life changing!

Example:

Let's eat, Grandma!

or

Let's eat Grandma!

AmazonDC · 06-07-2017, 06:05 AM

I am a STONE DADDY and exit only please.lol love a Stone Femme who is all about penetrationbut recieving only.. communication is key.. likes dislikes hard limits.. that sort of thing..

StoicStone · 06-07-2017, 07:58 AM

Oh...well in my area in the old days we called a stone femme who didn't like to be penetrated a Diamond Femme, and a stone butch who liked to remain fully clothed at all times (strapped on outside of clothing) was a Granite Butch.

I neither the butch nor the femme wanted to penetrate/be penetrated, well, we just called them lesbians. That is no longer appropriate, I think, because their are just so many different aspects to how people identify and you can't really throw a single blanket term out there and have it truly mean anything to the younger generations.
I guess we were just woefully under informed about our sexuality and even the nature of it when I was young.

*Anya* · 06-07-2017, 08:25 AM

I think that these days, labels are a general "alert" ( probably the wrong word) as to what a person feels comfortable with, to narrow the dating pool down a tad.

The only way to really know, is to discuss. Even then, for some, it depends on the person and the situation.

By the time you are ready to have sex of any type, a clear and open discussion should have already been had.

I do training at my job (one of my hats) about HIV/AIDS and it still amazes me the number of people that tell me that they have sex first and ask the questions after or tell me "but he or she looked clean". I have straight men/straight women/transfolk/lesbians and gays; so it is everyone not always having those open and honest discussions.

By that point, uh oh.

Yes, there are many different sexual identities and desires for lesbians, too.

Gemme · 06-07-2017, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lyte

You are so right!

My thought was ... it's two very different meanings with (essentially) the same name... when spoken. Which is why I said I'd have to have the gal write down her preference. Iol Written down... then I'd know if she was with a space or without a space femme.

Or you could just talk about it. lol

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Originally Posted by *Anya*

I think that these days, labels are a general "alert" ( probably the wrong word) as to what a person feels comfortable with, to narrow the dating pool down a tad.

The only way to really know, is to discuss. Even then, for some, it depends on the person and the situation.

By the time you are ready to have sex of any type, a clear and open discussion should have already been had.

I do training at my job (one of my hats) about HIV/AIDS and it still amazes me the number of people that tell me that they have sex first and ask the questions after or tell me "but he or she looked clean". I have straight men/straight women/transfolk/lesbians and gays; so it is everyone not always having those open and honest discussions.

By that point, uh oh.

Yes, there are many different sexual identities and desires for lesbians, too.

Yes! To all of this.

You have two cans of food. One has a label and one doesn't. The one without the label could be anything, good or bad or a combination of both, but at least you have an idea of what might be in the other can, even if the label is faded and worn or half torn off. You at least have a clue of what you might be in for.

I get what you are saying about an 'alert'. Labels give me a general idea of what someone's likes/dislikes/limits might be but without a good conversation filled with hard and honest questions, one will not know for sure.

Never make assumptions, though.

06-06-2017, 08:54 AM	#307
StoicStone Junior Member How Do You Identify?: Stone Butch.............. Preferred Pronoun?: No preference............... Relationship Status: single............... Join Date: May 2017 Location: Washington.................. Posts: 35 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 0 Thanked 135 Times in 31 Posts Rep Power: 445521	I am an old stone butch. Back in the day, as they say, I was told by other stones in my area that stone meant the butch had no desire to be penetrated and the femme had no desire to penetrate anyone. There could be any varying degree of what boundary the butch or femme had as to touching the butch in any other way and they needed to state their boundaries to each other..but it was generally true that a stone butch did not want their junk touched at all..no touching below the waist. Some of us wanted no touching of any female part on our bodies. The butch usually looked a bit more masculine physically, i.e more narrow hips, masculine dress, but it was not always the case, and the femmes...well they just looked like str8 women pretty much. The same was true for the mentality , with butches having a more masculine way of thinking, but not necessarily just like biological males, and femmes just, well, thinking like girls. Everything seems to be a bit more fluid these days and I am no longer sure what exactly stone can be defined as, or even if sexuality can be defined and labeled at all. All I know is I have always identified as stone,and still qualify by the old definition easily, so stone I am lol Last edited by StoicStone; 06-06-2017 at 08:55 AM. Reason: my typing sucks

06-06-2017, 02:04 PM	#309
Stone-Butch Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Stonebutch Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: single Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 3,257 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 12,273 Thanked 8,552 Times in 2,671 Posts Rep Power: 21474851	Stone I totally agree with Stoyc . I read Stone Butch Blues and also met Leslie in Buffalo at one of her meets. My book is signed by her "In memory of Stonewall". She was a wonderful speaker and had quite a crowd. She is sorely missed by all that were touched by her words. RIP Leslie.

06-06-2017, 05:37 PM	#311
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,782 Times in 4,469 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	For me stone means constant so relating fluid to stone doesn't resonate with me at all, but to each their own. __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

06-06-2017, 06:09 PM	#313
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,782 Times in 4,469 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I think the distinction between Stone Femme and Stonefemme could be useful, but it doesn't seem to me that everyone uses them and/or distinguishes between them in the same way. I've seen both used by femmes who partner with stone butches. __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

06-06-2017, 10:29 PM	#315
~ocean Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: femme blows a kiss off my finger tips * Preferred Pronoun?: ~ hey girl ~ Relationship Status: ~ single & content ~ Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Massachusetts ~coastal Posts: 7,905 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 22,958 Thanked 16,120 Times in 4,736 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	~ I am a stone femme ~ I love penetration , I don't have a desire to penetrate my lover. Everyone is different. We all just have different desires.~ __________________ ~ Always, ocean

08-19-2016, 05:14 PM	#306
Lyte Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Butch Preferred Pronoun?: Meh... I'm not very particular about this. Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: The south... bleh! Posts: 1,744 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 5,316 Thanked 5,113 Times in 1,504 Posts Rep Power: 21474845	Seems like a lifetime ago when I read it. It was like reading a foreign language. It didn't become more clear until many years later when I began exploring my butch side.

06-07-2017, 06:05 AM	#317
AmazonDC Member How Do You Identify?: Queer Stone Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: DC Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: colorado Posts: 499 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 346 Thanked 1,485 Times in 430 Posts Rep Power: 13453157	I am a STONE DADDY and exit only please.lol love a Stone Femme who is all about penetrationbut recieving only.. communication is key.. likes dislikes hard limits.. that sort of thing..

06-07-2017, 07:58 AM	#318
StoicStone Junior Member How Do You Identify?: Stone Butch.............. Preferred Pronoun?: No preference............... Relationship Status: single............... Join Date: May 2017 Location: Washington.................. Posts: 35 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 0 Thanked 135 Times in 31 Posts Rep Power: 445521	Oh...well in my area in the old days we called a stone femme who didn't like to be penetrated a Diamond Femme, and a stone butch who liked to remain fully clothed at all times (strapped on outside of clothing) was a Granite Butch. I neither the butch nor the femme wanted to penetrate/be penetrated, well, we just called them lesbians. That is no longer appropriate, I think, because their are just so many different aspects to how people identify and you can't really throw a single blanket term out there and have it truly mean anything to the younger generations. I guess we were just woefully under informed about our sexuality and even the nature of it when I was young.

06-07-2017, 08:25 AM	#319
Anya Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Lesbian non-stone femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, her Relationship Status: Committed to being good to myself Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 8,258 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 39,306 Thanked 40,791 Times in 7,290 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I think that these days, labels are a general "alert" ( probably the wrong word) as to what a person feels comfortable with, to narrow the dating pool down a tad. The only way to really know, is to discuss. Even then, for some, it depends on the person and the situation. By the time you are ready to have sex of any type, a clear and open discussion should have already been had. I do training at my job (one of my hats) about HIV/AIDS and it still amazes me the number of people that tell me that they have sex first and ask the questions after or tell me "but he or she looked clean". I have straight men/straight women/transfolk/lesbians and gays; so it is everyone not always having those open and honest discussions. By that point, uh oh. Yes, there are many different sexual identities and desires for lesbians, too. __________________ ~Anya~ Democracy Dies in Darkness ~Washington Post "...I'm deeply concerned by recently adopted policies which punish children for their parents’ actions ... The thought that any State would seek to deter parents by inflicting such abuse on children is unconscionable." UN Human Rights commissioner