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[Kimbo]

Originally Posted by Diavolo

The problem is we want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

There are breeders and there are breeders. We had a situation just a couple of weeks ago where a guy had a litter of puppies. One had a broken leg and he acted as if he hadn't even seen it broken. It was sticking straight out. We got the puppy. A week later a volunteer bought all of the puppies. When we went to get the puppies we talked him out of both bitches. When those puppies go to homes from the rescue they'll have chips, tattoos and contracts that they come back to the rescue if ever they can't stay in their "forever" home. He is not a breeder. He's a dumb ass that let his two dogs fuck.

A real breeder has contracts that they fulfill. Their buyers must complete local training courses for their dogs. They must have proper vet care. Their puppies are chipped and in the event they come into a shelter, the breeder wants them back and takes them back. No questions asked. A real breeder's dogs don't end up in shelters. A real breeder health tests and does specific planned breedings to dogs of a certain quality that will enhance the breed. Both parents NEVER live on site. If there were only real breeders out there, shelters and rescues would merrily go out of business.

We're very focused on sterilization and breed hate, but if the public perception of where to get a dog was educated by the dog clubs, there wouldn't be a problem.

Quietly the Doberman community is happy that CJ did not win the Westminster, even though we all think she was robbed. We all know that every Tom, Dick and Harry would want to start breeding Dobermans and that would be bad for the breed. I look at all of the trainwreck dogs we get through here and then I look at CJ. And we know that those clowns don't get what makes her so majestic. She's one of the most winning dogs in the country and I'm glad she's a bitch. At least there won't been viles of frozen giz to propagate. That might be a good thing.

Diavolo--I agree with you with the exception of what I have bolded. The biggest "dog club" is the AKC. They are the biggest promoters of irresponsible breeding just by the fact that they have very little in place to confirm those animals that they paper. To me the AKC has degraded the true responsible breeder.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Diavolo--I agree with you with the exception of what I have bolded. The biggest "dog club" is the AKC. They are the biggest promoters of irresponsible breeding just by the fact that they have very little in place to confirm those animals that they paper. To me the AKC has degraded the true responsible breeder.

We're saying the same thing, I just didn't make myself clear.

The AKC is just a registration service. What I meant is that the breed clubs, like the National version of the Boxer club, the Doberman club, the Chihuahua club, Aussie whatever, need to not only promote but require responsible breeding and then push their agenda publicly. That is, don't buy dogs that haven't been health tested, don't get an Aussie where one of the parents hasn't been finished either in the ring or in the field, don't buy a dog from a guy who has both parents on site. Right now everybody thinks AKC papers is the be all end all. Breed clubs need to advance a more comprehensive message. For the sake of the dogs they need to lead and right now they aren't.

I see more Dobermans out there that barely look like Dobermans except for the markings. The latest soul I transported, who also overnighted here had a ridiculously short snout, was undersized and had a hinky temperment. I'm sure her parents weren't health tested and the propensity for this poor little soul to develop or carry DCM, Wobblers, bum hips or any of the other plethora of health issues that plague the breed are huge. I have a friend who has finished a bunch of dogs but hasn't bred because he's been doing the research to breed out the health issues that plague the breed. That's what breeding dogs is all about. Betterment of the breed. And that's the message that the dog clubs (and by dog club I mean breed club) have to do.

And don't misunderstand me. I have two trainwreck rescues here. Rita is undersized, snipe nosed and kind of not right in the head. The only time that dog was at peace was after she killed a rat. Bubba has IBD and has classic Doberman OCD. His toes curl some kind of funky, his gait is not the kind of gay it's supposed to be and he blew his coat 18 months ago and all of the salmon oil in the world ain't bringing it back. And they both adore me and I would live in my truck before I would give them up.

[violaine]

itty, hallo

thank you for contributing to the portion of the animal control investigation addressing OS [owner surrendered pets]. the shelter staff do not have discussions/work with/counsel humans who entrust animals with staff of the AC /shelter.

that response, and so many others provided to us by the AC/shelter Chief Officer/Assistant, just astounded us during this investigation into multiple and serious issues- one of which is witnessed inappropriate treatment of animals at the AC/ shelter .

[violaine]

[QUOTE=Diavolo;55011]We're saying the same thing, I just didn't make myself clear.

The AKC is just a registration service. What I meant is that the breed clubs, like the National version of the Boxer club, the Doberman club, the Chihuahua club, Aussie whatever, need to not only promote but require responsible breeding and then push their agenda publicly. That is, don't buy dogs that haven't been health tested, don't get an Aussie where one of the parents hasn't been finished either in the ring or in the field, don't buy a dog from a guy who has both parents on site. Right now everybody thinks AKC papers is the be all end all. Breed clubs need to advance a more comprehensive message. For the sake of the dogs they need to lead and right now they aren't.

I see more Dobermans out there that barely look like Dobermans except for the markings. The latest soul I transported, who also overnighted here had a ridiculously short snout, was undersized and had a hinky temperment. I'm sure her parents weren't health tested and the propensity for this poor little soul to develop or carry DCM, Wobblers, bum hips or any of the other plethora of health issues that plague the breed are huge. I have a friend who has finished a bunch of dogs but hasn't bred because he's been doing the research to breed out the health issues that plague the breed. That's what breeding dogs is all about. Betterment of the breed. And that's the message that the dog clubs (and by dog club I mean breed club) have to do.

And don't misunderstand me. I have two trainwreck rescues here. Rita is undersized, snipe nosed and kind of not right in the head. The only time that dog was at peace was after she killed a rat. Bubba has IBD and has classic Doberman OCD. His toes curl some kind of funky, his gait is not the kind of gay it's supposed to be and he blew his coat 18 months ago and all of the salmon oil in the world ain't bringing it back. And they both adore me and I would live in my truck before I would give them up.

diavolo - hi

i found this group while visiting the FB page of a wonder dobe rescue i worked with a while back helping DAZ. [lean on me dobe rescue = stellar group of humans! LOMDR is on the FB page below].

http://www.facebook.com/SaveDobermans?ref=mf

[Kimbo]

Diavolo, my sister has had dobie's most of her adult life. She doesn't have one now but had there been one at the pound when she went she would. She had a beautiful fawn dobie that used to jump up in her arms. All my nephews were raised around dobie's, riding them and doing all the pulling they do, never once did any one of those dogs nip or bite. I would not hesitate to take in a dobie if I was going to take in a new critter.


On another not here's to Mr. Weener ...the rescued dog who rescued his mom from a fire in Whatcom county!
He's a dachsund, bet you couldn't guess that.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by Kimbo

Diavolo, my sister has had dobie's most of her adult life. She doesn't have one now but had there been one at the pound when she went she would. She had a beautiful fawn dobie that used to jump up in her arms. All my nephews were raised around dobie's, riding them and doing all the pulling they do, never once did any one of those dogs nip or bite. I would not hesitate to take in a dobie if I was going to take in a new critter.


On another not here's to Mr. Weener ...the rescued dog who rescued his mom from a fire in Whatcom county!
He's a dachsund, bet you couldn't guess that.

Check out the pic in my gallery. That says it all.

And props to Mr. Weener!

[suebee]

An interview with Temple Grandin, where she talks about animal emotions and separation anxiety in dogs among other things. Link here.

[Kimbo]

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[Diavolo]

Jesus. What's the difference between what they're doing and pit fighting? Nothing.

[Kimbo]

I agree.

I have a hard time grasping the type of person who could participate or watch any event like this.

[Tommi]

Seeking support, answers, info...

My friend just received path report on 13 yr. old Dusty Best Boy cat. Diagnosis is oral squamous cell cancer of the lower left mandible, with incidental staph infection. Vet has recommended surgical removal ASAP. Swollen area just seemed to pop up over night. Vet says the surgeries are very successful as tumor appears to be localized and metastatic potential is low, and wants to refer to Veterinary Sugeon specialist.. I researched radiation therpay which is a 4 to 6 week process, and surgery may still be needed. As you can imagine, the cost will be great, but , this is her baby.

My girl tells me she knows of animal surgical cases that were successful. I know it is sucessful in people's... and Vet did not suggest putting him to sleep as he is an otherwise healthy guy, except for this lumpy bumpy mess..

Thoughts, suggestions, comments....

[Kimbo]

Tommi, if my memory is correct, I think Linus had a cat with a very similiar diagnosis. I don't know if he pops in here or not..ya may want to drop him a PM.

[FeminineAllure]

Originally Posted by Tommi

Seeking support, answers, info...

My friend just received path report on 13 yr. old Dusty Best Boy cat. Diagnosis is oral squamous cell cancer of the lower left mandible, with incidental staph infection. Vet has recommended surgical removal ASAP. Swollen area just seemed to pop up over night. Vet says the surgeries are very successful as tumor appears to be localized and metastatic potential is low, and wants to refer to Veterinary Sugeon specialist.. I researched radiation therpay which is a 4 to 6 week process, and surgery may still be needed. As you can imagine, the cost will be great, but , this is her baby.

My girl tells me she knows of animal surgical cases that were successful. I know it is sucessful in people's... and Vet did not suggest putting him to sleep as he is an otherwise healthy guy, except for this lumpy bumpy mess..

Thoughts, suggestions, comments....

Hi Tommi.

You and your friend certainly have my support. From what I am understanding from your post the vet seems positive about the outcome.
I would keep my cat alive as long as he was still eating and drinking and would not suffer much... and I could afford the care.
My friend has lost two of her cats in the past two years. One very recently. It seems to me the animals as well as their caregivers seem to know when it is time for them to let go.
The cat is 13 so he has lived a long happy life should he have to be put to sleep.
I have seen with sick people as well as with animals, sometimes they need to be encouraged to leave this world knowing that is okay if need be.
Keep us up to date please.
Thanks.

[AtLast]

A good friend of mine (Harry) has a 13 year old boxer (George) and he is going through what we all do when we need to make that quality of life versus our not wanting to let go decision. I love this dog, too and have known him for several years. He was my boxer’s best pal and Harry used to bring George over to visit my Valentino when he was too sick last year to go to the dog park anymore. They would just hang out quietly together on my front lawn like two old men playing chess and reminiscing. It was so kind of Harry to do this.

George has severe arthritis and is having stroke events as well as is incontinent. He is still eating, but really can’t stand for long. Harry was talking to me yesterday about calling his vet and asking him if it was time.He is struggling internally so much it just breaks my heart.

Harry has taken incredible care of George since his wife died 8 years ago. George was actually her dog. I know the loss of George is very much connected to the loss of his wife. This guy has made George a hand made cape and a bed in which George can slip into it and the covers gently cover him by just getting in the bed! Harry was an inventor (he is about 75 years old). He also made George special goggles to protect his eyes from getting poked as he aged and couldn’t see well. Harry adores this dog.

I can see that Harry is exhausted as taking care of George has been a 24/7 job for the last 5-6 weeks since he has had the stroke events and gets confused. Harry has to get up and bring George out several times at night.

I realized yesterday that the real problem is that George needs to tell Harry in some way that it is OK for him to let go. But even with all of what is going on with him, he still picked up a tennis ball in his mouth and gave it a very slight nudge toward me yesterday. I guess he just isn’t ready to give Harry the OK, yet. Still has a couple of tosses in him. But, I could tell harry was trying to make the decision and just agonizing.

I feel awful concerning both of them. I’m worried about Harry and his getting rest and taking care of himself but as long as George does anything as himself (or, old self), I don’t think Harry can let go of him.

I know Harry wants George to just die at home, peacefully. I remember wanting that for Valentino too. I guess I should just let them work it out. This is so damn hard! Both of them matter to me.

[Tommi]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

Hi Tommi.

You and your friend certainly have my support. From what I am understanding from your post the vet seems positive about the outcome.
I would keep my cat alive as long as he was still eating and drinking and would not suffer much... and I could afford the care.
My friend has lost two of her cats in the past two years. One very recently. It seems to me the animals as well as their caregivers seem to know when it is time for them to let go.
The cat is 13 so he has lived a long happy life should he have to be put to sleep.
I have seen with sick people as well as with animals, sometimes they need to be encouraged to leave this world knowing that is okay if need be.
Keep us up to date please.
Thanks.

Thank you so much. It is hard, as she just had his brother put to sleep over the Holiday's. She knew and Choo Choo knew it was time. Dusty still has that bright sparkly look in his eyes, and wants to play and let me rub his ears while he almost stands on his head. So, tomorrow AM I;m taking the path report to the consult Vet Surgeon, for that 2nd opinion..she is out of town on duty for two months..so, I am his next of kin, the ex-officio kitty sitter and rock ...ugh. She is flying home over the weekend to see Dusty and see what the Vet has to say and --- well, to make some decisions..

[Tommi]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

A good friend of mine (Harry) has a 13 year old boxer (George) and he is going through what we all do when we need to make that quality of life versus our not wanting to let go decision. I love this dog, too and have known him for several years. He was my boxer’s best pal and Harry used to bring George over to visit my Valentino when he was too sick last year to go to the dog park anymore. They would just hang out quietly together on my front lawn like two old men playing chess and reminiscing. It was so kind of Harry to do this.

George has severe arthritis and is having stroke events as well as is incontinent. He is still eating, but really can’t stand for long. Harry was talking to me yesterday about calling his vet and asking him if it was time.He is struggling internally so much it just breaks my heart.

Harry has taken incredible care of George since his wife died 8 years ago. George was actually her dog. I know the loss of George is very much connected to the loss of his wife. This guy has made George a hand made cape and a bed in which George can slip into it and the covers gently cover him by just getting in the bed! Harry was an inventor (he is about 75 years old). He also made George special goggles to protect his eyes from getting poked as he aged and couldn’t see well. Harry adores this dog.

I can see that Harry is exhausted as taking care of George has been a 24/7 job for the last 5-6 weeks since he has had the stroke events and gets confused. Harry has to get up and bring George out several times at night.

I realized yesterday that the real problem is that George needs to tell Harry in some way that it is OK for him to let go. But even with all of what is going on with him, he still picked up a tennis ball in his mouth and gave it a very slight nudge toward me yesterday. I guess he just isn’t ready to give Harry the OK, yet. Still has a couple of tosses in him. But, I could tell harry was trying to make the decision and just agonizing.

I feel awful concerning both of them. I’m worried about Harry and his getting rest and taking care of himself but as long as George does anything as himself (or, old self), I don’t think Harry can let go of him.

I know Harry wants George to just die at home, peacefully. I remember wanting that for Valentino too. I guess I should just let them work it out. This is so damn hard! Both of them matter to me.

Yep...sniff....

[Andrew, Jr.]

I think we are kinder to animals than we are to human beings.

Andrew

[FeminineAllure]

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[FeminineAllure]

My first poem I have ever written was when I was six.

When animals come close to me I start to wonder why?
People can not be more like them and come closer to eachother.

Your post made me want to share this Andrew.

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by AtLastHome

A good friend of mine (Harry) has a 13 year old boxer (George) and he is going through what we all do when we need to make that quality of life versus our not wanting to let go decision. I love this dog, too and have known him for several years. He was my boxer’s best pal and Harry used to bring George over to visit my Valentino when he was too sick last year to go to the dog park anymore. They would just hang out quietly together on my front lawn like two old men playing chess and reminiscing. It was so kind of Harry to do this.

George has severe arthritis and is having stroke events as well as is incontinent. He is still eating, but really can’t stand for long. Harry was talking to me yesterday about calling his vet and asking him if it was time.He is struggling internally so much it just breaks my heart.

Harry has taken incredible care of George since his wife died 8 years ago. George was actually her dog. I know the loss of George is very much connected to the loss of his wife. This guy has made George a hand made cape and a bed in which George can slip into it and the covers gently cover him by just getting in the bed! Harry was an inventor (he is about 75 years old). He also made George special goggles to protect his eyes from getting poked as he aged and couldn’t see well. Harry adores this dog.

I can see that Harry is exhausted as taking care of George has been a 24/7 job for the last 5-6 weeks since he has had the stroke events and gets confused. Harry has to get up and bring George out several times at night.

I realized yesterday that the real problem is that George needs to tell Harry in some way that it is OK for him to let go. But even with all of what is going on with him, he still picked up a tennis ball in his mouth and gave it a very slight nudge toward me yesterday. I guess he just isn’t ready to give Harry the OK, yet. Still has a couple of tosses in him. But, I could tell harry was trying to make the decision and just agonizing.

I feel awful concerning both of them. I’m worried about Harry and his getting rest and taking care of himself but as long as George does anything as himself (or, old self), I don’t think Harry can let go of him.

I know Harry wants George to just die at home, peacefully. I remember wanting that for Valentino too. I guess I should just let them work it out. This is so damn hard! Both of them matter to me.

Harry needs to tell George that it's ok for him to go. And George will go. When Beauregard had cancer I knew he was in pretty bad shape when it was diagnosed. I had to work Monday and Tuesday but had the rest of the week off. I told him to wait for me Monday and Tuesday. When I got home Tuesday I told him it was ok to go when he needed to, I was going to stay with him. He woke me up at 3am in deep distress. He was drowning in the fluid the tumors in his lungs. We went to emergency and I had to put him down that night. It was either hospitalize him until he died or let him go. There was no recovery. The decision was easy or as easy as it could have been under the circumstances. My Xica knew I couldn't do it. She knew that Beau would take care of me so she took herself out of the game. I had a conversation on the phone with my Aunt earlier that day telling her every day was a blessing with that dog, she was a 15yo pit mix. She was gone when I got home that night. George needs to know that Harry will be ok with out him or he's just going to hang around fighting until he can't any more. And Harry might not be ok without George. And that might be why it's going the way it's going.