Stone Butches

[Stone-Butch]

Originally Posted by BullDog

I am a stone butch. I am not male. Stone butch means different things to different people. For me it is about sexual energy and desire. It has nothing to do with maleness for me. My masculinity also has nothing to do with male. How masculine or hard butch someone is also has nothing to do with male.

I am a masculine female (what butch is to me), woman and lesbian as well as being a stone butch.

I am Stone as well and this is the first time I agree with an explanation concerning Stones. TY.

[C0LLETTE]

Originally Posted by Martina

There are bisexual stone femmes. There are stone femmes who ID as transsensual or some version of that. So there are stone femmes who desire men.

Re the second comment, how do you know what other people feel?

So, for me, there it is: "transsensual or some version of that". What does that mean and, perhaps more important, what are the versions of it?. There are billions of people on this planet. Something tells me there are billions of versions of everything... and when it comes to sex, billions of things that get us off. Then, if you consider the role of the mind, maybe "billions" isn't nearly big enough.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So, for me, there it is: "transsensual or some version of that". What does that mean and, perhaps more important, what are the versions of it?

A transensual femme is primarily attracted to transmen. By versions, I meant other names. I am sure there are other ways some femmes ID to indicate their sexual orientation towards transmen. SOFFA used to be rather widely used. I don't have more to add.

[C0LLETTE]

We can label subset ourselves all the way down till we can finally say there is no one else on the planet that exactly fits this label except me. But why? Even Mendel wanted some sort of outcome from all that segregating and assorting.

[morningstar55]

wow its been a long time since i been in here.. heh ....
will read some more....

[Martina]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

We can label subset ourselves all the way down till we can finally say there is no one else on the planet that exactly fits this label except me. But why? Even Mendel wanted some sort of outcome from all that segregating and assorting.

I don't understand how that is a response to either of my posts. Can you explain?

Which ID are you taking issue with and why? These are ID's in common currency. Stone and transensual. I really don't follow your point.

[fatallyblonde]

I feel like the context makes it pretty clear who I'm referring to, actually. I think people are intelligent enough to extrapolate from context without a zillion caveats and qualifications.

[RockOn]

Excellent post and extremely well-stated!

[C0LLETTE]

hope you take this as impersonally and harmlessly as I intend it:

It just seems to me that if these IDs were in as common currency as suggested, there'd be a lot less confusion about them, as many of these threads indicate. We accept prima face that something useful is accomplished by all these labels being broken down into ever smaller subsets.. maybe there are diminishing returns in terms of confusion and the obliteration of our commonality.
I'm just not so sure how useful it is to stick new prefixes on every noun in our vocabulary rather than just describing behaviours. Lately there has been a tendency to segregate and label just about all human behaviours so we can conveniently move on to the next label-able behaviour. I'm just not so sure this is useful.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by fatallyblonde

I feel like the context makes it pretty clear who I'm referring to, actually. I think people are intelligent enough to extrapolate from context without a zillion caveats and qualifications.

You spoke for all stone femmes and said something like we don't desire men. My point was that some stone femmes do. Since then I haven't understood what the heck either you or Collette have been talking about.

[C0LLETTE]

I've tried to express my thoughts as best I can. Seems I've fallen short and for that I apologise. Thank you for your attention but I believe I've exhausted my abilities. Maybe next time. Thank you again.

[PanDragon]

Originally Posted by chrisbutch

Can i ask some advice here?? When is appropriate to tell some that you are stone?? early in the relationship or wait until you get to know them better??

In my experience, it is best to be up front. In my experience there are few and far between who can handle a stone. I can't count the lectures I've got on 'right reciprocity', but when I've been upfront, even before I enter a relationship, the results have been much more mutually fulfilling.

[PanDragon]

I know who I am and what I feel. I came up with no words to call anything. I acted on what I felt and learned along the way. I grew up in a world where almost everything I liked was perverse in the mainstream. I went through the angst of wondering wtf was wrong with me. I went to therapy to try and fix this 'wrong'. I lost a lot of partners because I went through the motions and ended up feeling invisible and empty. There was no stone label in my day.
I know who I am and what I like. I remember clearly the day and time I said NO MORE to denying my self. I finally felt free. I am stone and I've heard a lot of feedback on my behaviors and feelings, not on the label.
There is nothing wrong with me.
I see posts about confidence, hard won or otherwise. My truth is that we all come into our own, and whatever that is, whatever we choose to call it, and however we got here, when you can own yourself and love who you are that freedom to just 'be' beats all!
I love my stne self! just sayin'

[Vida]

Your post is complex! R u a stone butch or r u looking for a stone butch??? There is a huge difference in the contest. Just letting u know. From vida!

[imperfect_cupcake]

Vida, if you look under the person's name you can see how they ID

[Daisy Chain]

Originally Posted by Converse

Its interesting that you should write that there is an energy that is particular to Stones- of course I have heard of those who prefer to partner with Stones but I had always considered that a preference for a certain type of dynamic but had never contemplated that there was a “Stone energy”. Elsewhere in an attempt to clarify what is meant by a “feminizing touch” in the context of a Stone I wrote… self fulfillment comes from being externally focused, by that I do not refer to my external self- but to my sexual partner. Being inside her both physically and mentally is where I find my “on” switch.

The musician reaches that other place when hy brings the instrument alive- together each is able to experience their potential- realize what they were made for. I was not made to have another take me in hand; I was made to be with someone who does not simply allow, but wants, needs to surrender. And in that surrender she allows me to be who I truly am.

While some will equate Stone to simply having personal limits, for me it is far more encompassing- Stone isn’t about sex with restrictions, it is about everything- it is how we perceive the world, but more importantly it is about how we relate, understand, communicate, and connect to another.

A Stone Butch is a Stone Butch- regardless if they are partnered- but without the one who “gets it”, they are not a musician, simply a person who knows how to play a musical instrument.

A Beautiful and profound post in relation to Stone Butches

[Tuff Stuff]

Originally Posted by Legendryder

Stone here. Have been for as long as I can remember. For me it is in the mind as well. Really don't like my junk touched. .02

Well,after reading most of the posts here (btw,i read the last posts first) I would say i'm definitely not a stone butch.I like my "Junk" to be touched.I like the way my woman grabs on to my tits...umm,i think thats another thread..i'll be looking for it *snort*

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Tuff Stuff

Well,after reading most of the posts here (btw,i read the last posts first) I would say i'm definitely not a stone butch.I like my "Junk" to be touched.I like the way my woman grabs on to my tits...umm,i think thats another thread..i'll be looking for it *snort*

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...ead.php?t=6863

[Tuff Stuff]

Originally Posted by DapperButch

http://www.butchfemmeplanet.com/foru...ead.php?t=6863

Thanks DB,i've been there...I don't ID as a lesbian,but I dig'um..lesbian femmes,yeah!!

[morningstar55]

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