Same-Sex Marriage Update - Page 37

iamkeri1 · 06-24-2011, 02:47 PM

In 1967, when I was a sophomore in college, the State of Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute was overturned by the US Supreme Court in Virginia v Loving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

This case overturned centuries US law and custom forbidding white people from marrying people of another race or mix of races. Though many states had already overturned this practice, this Federal decision brought an end to this practise throughout the entire USA.

In February 1961, when President Obama's white mother married his Kenyan father, there were many states in which this union would not only have been illegal, but criminal. (remember when homosexuality was illegal?)

State by State solutions did not work for inter-racial couples There will always be some states who will hold to a ----ist law because it supports local prejudice or perhaps strong business interests.

This is where I get angry with the president. He has lived through this shit. He has faced discrimination. He has seen the laws change in his favor and has accomplished much as a result of these legal changes. It has been well established over decades that civil rights are just that, rights. They are not subject to legislation or a vote of the people.
Why is be falling back on that old !@#$% of State by State solution? It didn't work for poc. It didn't work for women. It isn't going to work for queer folk. Also it is angry-fying that he has backtracked on his position since he ran for office.

A logical outgrowth of the opinion he currently holds would be to promote a policy that has been under discussion for some time.

1) ALL joinings of couples/groups; homo, hetero, inter-species, whatever, should take place in a legal setting like a courthouse or justice of the peace. We should pick a name for them ... union, committment ceremony, hand-fasting, etc. A contract should be drawn up stating the terms of the joining which will form the legal basis for the couples relationship. All legal rights should accrue from THIS contract.
2) "Marriage" should be the province of religious groups. They can marry or not marry whom they wish. If people wish to continue to fight with their churches to be able to marry, that would be fine. Meanwhile they will have legal rights.

And yah, it sucks that there is no other choice for voting purposes. What we have now is a choice between lukewarm, packpeddaling, support, and the utter outrage of the current republican party.
Smooches,
Keri

Julie · 06-24-2011, 07:45 PM

http://www.livestream.com/nysenate

They are voting now on marriage in New York.

They have the 32nd vote they need - It might just pass.

Corkey · 06-24-2011, 07:54 PM

IT PASSED

LaDivina · 06-24-2011, 07:59 PM

Not yet. That was just the "religious exemption" part. Once this fool Diaz finishes they'll get to the real vote.

always2late · 06-24-2011, 08:02 PM

It passed!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884427.html

Corkey · 06-24-2011, 08:04 PM

OH it passed now they are explaining their vote to those whom voted for them.

LaDivina · 06-24-2011, 08:05 PM

They're explaining how they WILL vote. HuffPo published that a leeeeetle too soon.

always2late · 06-24-2011, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaDivina

They're explaining how they WILL vote. HuffPo published that a leeeeetle too soon.

Actually, I was watching it live and I they are explaining why they voted for it. So I think its safe to say it passed. WOW NY Pride this weekend is gonna be off the wall! LOL

Ghost Huntin' Daddy · 06-24-2011, 08:14 PM

Always is right...it has passed and each senator is explaining why they voted the way they did. I was also watching on the live state channel. Happy Pride!!!!!

UofMfan · 06-24-2011, 08:26 PM

I am watching the live feed.

Reading the NYT. This was updated 5 minutes ago.

Reading HuffPo.

And several feeds om my FB and none have said it PASSED.

I am happy to say that it looks like it will pass, but until a reliable source, any of the aforementioned, posts a headline saying it passed, I will wait to celebrate or tell others that it has.

LaDivina · 06-24-2011, 08:30 PM

AYES 33, NAYS 29! WAY TO GO, NEW YORK!!!

UofMfan · 06-24-2011, 08:31 PM

AYES 33 - NAYS 29!

Now it is official!

always2late · 06-24-2011, 08:33 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884427.html

I don't know why its not showing up on all the feeds...but from what I saw and read it passed 33 to 29

Scorp · 06-24-2011, 08:35 PM

YAYYYYYYYYYY!!!! CONGRATULATIONS NEW YORK!!!!

CherylNYC · 06-24-2011, 08:39 PM

Governor Coumo plans to sign this bill on a desk placed in the middle of 5th Ave. at the beginning of the route and immediately prior to the start of the NYC Pride Parade. This year we, (the Sirens Women's Motorcycle Club), will be leading the Parade for the 25th time, which means that we'll have a front row seat for the signing. Wahoo!

If you had told me 25 years ago that this would happen in my lifetime I would have laughed at you.

Julie · 06-24-2011, 08:39 PM

Congratulations to ALL OF US!
And to all the people who can now legally get married in their home state.

WOW

Oiler41 · 06-24-2011, 08:41 PM

Congratulations New York!

Glynn

Toughy · 06-24-2011, 09:05 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens to those Republicans who voted for this come re-election time.

Julie · 06-24-2011, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy

It will be interesting to see what happens to those Republicans who voted for this come re-election time.

My Senator - Senator Saland was NO even earlier today. He voted YES and I have to say this -- I am so proud of him. His speech was emotional and beautiful.

He will get my vote.

He stood up for what is right.

citybutch · 06-24-2011, 09:10 PM

Cuz it was posted on facebook!

06-24-2011, 07:45 PM	#722
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iamkeri1 Member How Do You Identify?: femme woman Preferred Pronoun?: she Relationship Status: solo Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 905 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 302 Thanked 2,152 Times in 659 Posts Rep Power: 16642920	In 1967, when I was a sophomore in college, the State of Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute was overturned by the US Supreme Court in Virginia v Loving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia This case overturned centuries US law and custom forbidding white people from marrying people of another race or mix of races. Though many states had already overturned this practice, this Federal decision brought an end to this practise throughout the entire USA. In February 1961, when President Obama's white mother married his Kenyan father, there were many states in which this union would not only have been illegal, but criminal. (remember when homosexuality was illegal?) State by State solutions did not work for inter-racial couples There will always be some states who will hold to a ----ist law because it supports local prejudice or perhaps strong business interests. This is where I get angry with the president. He has lived through this shit. He has faced discrimination. He has seen the laws change in his favor and has accomplished much as a result of these legal changes. It has been well established over decades that civil rights are just that, rights. They are not subject to legislation or a vote of the people. Why is be falling back on that old !@#$% of State by State solution? It didn't work for poc. It didn't work for women. It isn't going to work for queer folk. Also it is angry-fying that he has backtracked on his position since he ran for office. A logical outgrowth of the opinion he currently holds would be to promote a policy that has been under discussion for some time. 1) ALL joinings of couples/groups; homo, hetero, inter-species, whatever, should take place in a legal setting like a courthouse or justice of the peace. We should pick a name for them ... union, committment ceremony, hand-fasting, etc. A contract should be drawn up stating the terms of the joining which will form the legal basis for the couples relationship. All legal rights should accrue from THIS contract. 2) "Marriage" should be the province of religious groups. They can marry or not marry whom they wish. If people wish to continue to fight with their churches to be able to marry, that would be fine. Meanwhile they will have legal rights. And yah, it sucks that there is no other choice for voting purposes. What we have now is a choice between lukewarm, packpeddaling, support, and the utter outrage of the current republican party. Smooches, Keri

06-24-2011, 07:59 PM	#724
LaDivina Member How Do You Identify?: Lady-femme Preferred Pronoun?: Lady-ones Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 524 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,084 Thanked 1,727 Times in 413 Posts Rep Power: 20699138	Not yet. That was just the "religious exemption" part. Once this fool Diaz finishes they'll get to the real vote.

06-24-2011, 08:05 PM	#727
LaDivina Member How Do You Identify?: Lady-femme Preferred Pronoun?: Lady-ones Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 524 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,084 Thanked 1,727 Times in 413 Posts Rep Power: 20699138	They're explaining how they WILL vote. HuffPo published that a leeeeetle too soon.

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06-24-2011, 08:30 PM	#731
LaDivina Member How Do You Identify?: Lady-femme Preferred Pronoun?: Lady-ones Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 524 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,084 Thanked 1,727 Times in 413 Posts Rep Power: 20699138	AYES 33, NAYS 29! WAY TO GO, NEW YORK!!!

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