Proposed Mosque Near Ground Zero

[FeminineAllure]

Originally Posted by Toughy

FA......

It is NOT a Mosque. It is a Community Center that also has a prayer room. It's called the Cordoba House.

How is that inappropriate, considering the number of strip joints and liquor stores that are closer to that 'sacred ground'?

Does that change your opinion?

I admit that *Inappropriate* is a poor word choice.
I still belive it would be nice to have an all faiths space to go to pay tribute and remember lost loved ones of who were of many different faiths.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

I admit that *Inappropriate* is a poor word choice.
I still belive it would be nice to have an all faiths space to go to pay tribute and remember lost loved ones of who were of many different faiths.

Do you feel the Community Center is being built as some kind of tribute ?

I am confused by this as well, thanks in advance

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

I think it would be nice to have a space for all beliefs and religions to come together to spend time. A tribute to all faiths of those who were killed as well as their family members. It would bring people together rather than seperate them.

They are building a memorial that will serve this purpose right there ON ground zero. Do you think there needs to be more than one memorial?

Besides what about the atheists that were killed during 9/11?

Continuing to couch 9/11 in religious terms is divisive, not the building of a Islamic Community Center a couple of blocks away. Islam did not fly airplanes into the WTC. A bunch of fundamentalist wahhabist educated terrorists who were all from Saudi Arabia did the deed.

[FeminineAllure]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Why though?

Why can't Muslim's have this place to go to? Why can't there be a Community Center built so close?

What is your reasoning?

Truly curious, thanks in advance

As I stated to Toughy. I chose a poor word choice. I surely am not the only one on this site to do that. I own up to my mistakes. That is the best I can do.
I feel any religion that has access to building a community center and a prayer room so close to Ground Zero would be really compassionate to share that space with other faiths.
Unless a strip joint or liquor store would be willing to sell their business to offer a space nearby as well. Which is not going to happen.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

As I stated to Toughy. I chose a poor word choice. I surely am not the only one on this site to do that. I own up to my mistakes. That is the best I can do.
I feel any religion that has access to building a community center and a prayer room so close to Ground Zero would be really compassionate to share that space with other faiths.
Unless a strip joint or liquor store would be willing to sell their business to offer a space nearby as well. Which is not going to happen.

Why is it so scary for Muslims to build a community center? Why is it disrespecful?

Why is it wrong for Muslims to build a community center so close to Ground Zero?

You do realize many Muslims were killed during that attack. I don't understand why it's not ok ?

Who is it going to hurt? scare? Insult?

[Jude]

Every mosque and synagogue has both a "sanctuary" and offices and rooms for meetings and community events. I'd suspect that virtually every church that's been constructed in the past 50 years likely also provides space for church business and members and guests to hold gatherings. That's part of the function of a religious institution -- a place for the community to gather. There is no such thing as a Muslim Community Center that would not offer prayer space.
Twenty percent of American republicans believe that Obama is a closet Muslim and was born in Kenya. Far more Americans believe that the perpetrators of 911 were caught and are all Muslims and nobody else had any involvement whatsoever. Perhaps in the lives of our grandchildren there will be an authentic investigation.
The investigation of 911 was conducted a lot like the Israeli investigation of the murders of 9 civil rights workers on the flotilla from Turkey attempting to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza. Imagine - Israel investigated itself. (Becha they come up innocent, ech?).
Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Shihks and atheists were all killed in 911.
Three thousand people died. Look how many people we have massacred in Iraq and Afghanistan since 911. I guess american lives are infinitly more valuable than those of backwards Arabs who don't know enough to appreciate our invastion.
Much of the fucking world should be sacred ground dedicated to the hapless innocent lives lost at the hands of aggressors.
Sad state of affairs that we just never learn from history. We go on repeating the same sickening errors time and time again ad nauseum.
I wonder how one can come to live a sacred life in this world.

[SuperFemme]

Originally Posted by SuperFemme

FA?
I beg of you to watch this video.
It will show you the area surrounding Ground Zero, exactly where the Islamic Community Center is proposed to be built AND the many many many churches already there.

Does that change your perception a little? Because I feel like your opinion is based on a point that is missing a lot of fact. I hope that the video can fill in those facts for you.

[paposeco]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Why is it so scary for Muslims to build a community center? Why is it disrespecful?

Why is it wrong for Muslims to build a community center so close to Ground Zero?

You do realize many Muslims were killed during that attack. I don't understand why it's not ok ?

Who is it going to hurt? scare? Insult?

Thank You. If a so called christian based faith wanted to do the same, (oh wait..they have their churches...) would we be having this discussion? would it cause such an uproar? I doubt it. Thanks for your logic, truth, fairness and open mindedness.

[SuperFemme]

Islamophobia

there is no other viable reason than this to even give it a second thought.

do you know that something like 48% of the people here who disapprove of President Obama believe he is a Muslim?

are we really as a society dumbing it down to the point that we let the wave of fear mongering sweep us along the tide of racism and hatred whilst the government laughs at us and quietly strips away our civil liberties one by one?

to *me* a patriot act would be putting a Mosque directly ON Ground Zero instead of a community center blocks away. but then again i am not down with the fact the the SCOTUS just ruled that the government can put GPS tracking devices on our vehicles while they are on the private property of our own driveways so they can track and follow us without a warrant.

not too many people noticed this ruling because we are all busy worrying about a Mosque that isn't a Mosque being opened on a Ground Zero that isn't Ground Zero.

For fucks sake.

[paposeco]

by FA: "...'It would bring people together rather than seperate them'.

who exactly is doing the seperating?? the Muslims?? or the the hating and the fear mongering crowd ?? So much for tolerance and acceptance.
The TRUTH may be a bitter pill for some to swallow, but it's still way better than the alternative.

[FeminineAllure]

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/groun...he-real-issue/

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/groun...he-real-issue/

Wow. I don't even need to finish that article to know that the entire thing is not based on fact, but rather on fear and hatred.

"The proposed mosque near to ground zero is not really a religious institution. It would be — as many mosques throughout the nation are — a terrorist recruitment, indoctrination and training center."

How can you possibly believe that the above quote is true?

[FeminineAllure]

"But there are non-Sharia mosques where peaceful and spiritual Muslims worship God in their own way without promoting violence. A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship."

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/groun...he-real-issue/

This right wing loon appears regularly on Fox News....

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

"But there are non-Sharia mosques where peaceful and spiritual Muslims worship God in their own way without promoting violence. A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship."

1 - Anybody can make a study to prove anything that they want. I'm sure you could also find studies that have the exact opposite results.

2 - Frank Gaffney is not a sane, responsible, or unbiased voice. If you do some research on him you'll find that he's got a very clear hate-on bias against Muslims. It's personal for him. I do not trust anything he says on the subject, or anything said by any organisation that he is a part of. The man has no credibility as far as this issue is concerned.

3 - At least the truth has come out. I'm glad that you have admitted (in a roundabout way) that your true issue is not about "bringing people together v dividing people" and rather about "scary Muslims". Thanks, I always like to know who I'm dealing with.

[betenoire]

Frank Gaffney is a batshit paranoid moron who believes that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, the '93 attacks on the WTC -and- the Oklahoma City bombing.

linkyloo

Why would anybody take -anything- he says seriously?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

"But there are non-Sharia mosques where peaceful and spiritual Muslims worship God in their own way without promoting violence. A soon-to-be published study funded by Frank Gaffney’s Center for Security Policy, found that 20% of the mosques in the United States have no taint of Sharia and simply promote peaceful worship."

I find it gross that you act like you are all about a place where everyone should come and worship, when it's obvious you have bought into the whole scary Muslim people are gathering and building terrorist training camps.

It's just gross.

[FeminineAllure]

Originally Posted by betenoire

1 - Anybody can make a study to prove anything that they want. I'm sure you could also find studies that have the exact opposite results.

2 - Frank Gaffney is not a sane, responsible, or unbiased voice. If you do some research on him you'll find that he's got a very clear hate-on bias against Muslims. It's personal for him. I do not trust anything he says on the subject, or anything said by any organisation that he is a part of. The man has no credibility as far as this issue is concerned.

3 - At least the truth has come out. I'm glad that you have admitted (in a roundabout way) that your true issue is not about "bringing people together v dividing people" and rather about "scary Muslims". Thanks, I always like to know who I'm dealing with.

I was simply offering anothers opinion and point of view. I am not scared of Muslims. And thank you, as I see who I am dealing with as well.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

I was simply offering anothers opinion and point of view. I am not scared of Muslims. And thank you, as I see who I am dealing with as well.

Do you really think that the Center that is being built in New York is a a place where people are being recruited to fight and kill???


Really?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by FeminineAllure

I was simply offering anothers opinion and point of view. I am not scared of Muslims. And thank you, as I see who I am dealing with as well.

These points of view are spreading hate and lies about a people. It's blatantly obvious ffs it's a COMMUNITY CENTER not a military camp.