It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

You know I find one thing just totally unbelievable that is the way people just attack one another solely based on the color of their skin. When I look at someone of color I do not see hatred, I see a person.

To answer your questions Apretty:{ not that I have too.}

1. I do have opinions about this bill. I choose not to voice them here. I will choose a side when I see or hear something that brings all of this together for me. As to the color of my skin does that rally matter to you? Your skin color does not matter to me. This comment is totally racist to me, unbelievable.
2. No where in my post did I ask you to do any research for me. I am very capable of doing this on my own.
3. You use the wording “brown skin” maybe your so upset about this simply because the highest populace of illegal immigrants in the united states is of Hispanic decent and crossed of the border in one of the 4 border states. No other comment is required here.
4. I never once said that you had not read this bill nor did you not understand it.
5. Been there done that.
6. If you had read my post I do believe this bill will lead to racial profiling there are bad apples in all the police departments.
7. agreed too
8. First off, the shitty car that you refer too in my company vehicle. And yes I was profiled during that time maybe not for the color of my skin but by driving a vehicle that is often used in smuggling illegal’s.{ look at the shuttle companies that were just busted here. They used the same type of vehicle.}
9. I just found this site so hence the join date. Which I mind you that date is before this subject ever became an issue. As to the two posts here. This is a thread that I felt I wanted to post in. Knowing that what I was posting I would be attacked; just as you are doing to me now. Jezzz thought I was welcome to post in any of the threads. You have the right to your opinion just as I do to mine. So at this point lets agree to disagree. I will not allow you to bait me into a fight of words and anger.
10. ROFL, yes we have met and yes we did discuss many of your political views that night. In fact you were in a very heated discussion with my partner that night.


You didn’t answer my question in my post. So I will ask it again.

Where was the “brown skinned peoples” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law?

DeanRobert, you have asked this question twice, and although you haven't asked me directly, I will address it, as I find it mind blogging.

You asking this question is the equivalent of anyone asking: Where was the “gay people's” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law, regarding DOMA/Same Sex Marriage, etc?

Now I can change that question with many other minorities if you wish. At this time I am going to just leave it to see if sinks in.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Dean Robert.

I want to share something with you, it's personal, and a lil painful but maybe it will help you understand that just because they say they do things legally (and when I mean they, I meant border patrol or any cops) it can also lead to...

ready for this

LIES...

My mother till last year was not a US Citizen, she was legally residing here, but her original country of origin is Mexico.. She crossed them illegal perimeters many many a time during my youth...

Once, during them crossings, they got her, some border patrol guys, her and a couple friends.. They did not *detain* them at some building, no, no, no
they gave my mom and her friends special accomidations in the middle of some desert in Arizona..

*I* am a fucking 40 year walking reminder of that time for my mom. (mom is catholic does not do abortion)

So. with that tid bit out there....

I want to share something with you...

If you put down a people long enough can call them roaches, garbage, a burden to this country you will learn to just be quiet and avoid anything that has to do with any kind of law enforcement. (including voting) My mother is a strong ass woman, but lemme tell you nothing breaks her down like the sight of a cop, we talked a bit on her birthday about the AZ thing, I can hear it in her voice the terror.. I am so glad she does not live anywhere near that state..

When I was 15 my mother bumped a car with hers at church, in the parking lot, my dad was out of town on TDY, Arabia I believe don't remember why.

We hid, I shit you not my mother panicked, cause she thought the cops would take her we hid out at stores, and I finally talked her into going home. So you see it is easy to scare people, it's easy to make someone feel unwanted and unwelcomed, and it's easy to terrorize a people..

*I* personally, hate being pulled over, cops are right up there with clowns and spiders, they set off panic in me...

So your thoughts that people are being detained in pretty prison cells is not always true.....

What this woman has done, is put a target on people who are not *white*. So who are they gonna pull over?

Native Americans they have dark skin

Persians they too have dark skins

Chicanos they tooooooo have dark skin

when does it end? So what I see is unless you white.... You can safely drive around the state.. Hasn't it always been like this though?

It's a fucked up law Dean Robert....

How you don't see that is beyond me.......

[wolfwalker]

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

I have been in 3 car accidents..

None caused by people from other countries..

None had insurance...

So is it safe to say, that this whole hit and run thing is not just an *illegal immigrant* issue, how about it's an ass clown issue?

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I have been in 3 car accidents..

None caused by people from other countries..

None had insurance...

So is it safe to say, that this whole hit and run thing is not just an *illegal immigrant* issue, how about it's an ass clown issue?

I can also bet you at least knew the name of the person who hit you and their address.

wolf

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Dean Robert.

I want to share something with you, it's personal, and a lil painful but maybe it will help you understand that just because they say they do things legally (and when I mean they, I meant border patrol or any cops) it can also lead to...

ready for this

LIES...

My mother till last year was not a US Citizen, she was legally residing here, but her original country of origin is Mexico.. She crossed them illegal perimeters many many a time during my youth...

Once, during them crossings, they got her, some border patrol guys, her and a couple friends.. They did not *detain* them at some building, no, no, no
they gave my mom and her friends special accomidations in the middle of some desert in Arizona..

*I* am a fucking 40 year walking reminder of that time for my mom. (mom is catholic does not do abortion)

So. with that tid bit out there....

I want to share something with you...

If you put down a people long enough can call them roaches, garbage, a burden to this country you will learn to just be quiet and avoid anything that has to do with any kind of law enforcement. (including voting) My mother is a strong ass woman, but lemme tell you nothing breaks her down like the sight of a cop, we talked a bit on her birthday about the AZ thing, I can hear it in her voice the terror.. I am so glad she does not live anywhere near that state..

When I was 15 my mother bumped a car with hers at church, in the parking lot, my dad was out of town on TDY, Arabia I believe don't remember why.

We hid, I shit you not my mother panicked, cause she thought the cops would take her we hid out at stores, and I finally talked her into going home. So you see it is easy to scare people, it's easy to make someone feel unwanted and unwelcomed, and it's easy to terrorize a people..

*I* personally, hate being pulled over, cops are right up there with clowns and spiders, they set off panic in me...

So your thoughts that people are being detained in pretty prison cells is not always true.....

What this woman has done, is put a target on people who are not *white*. So who are they gonna pull over?

Native Americans they have dark skin

Persians they too have dark skins

Chicanos they tooooooo have dark skin

when does it end? So what I see is unless you white.... You can safely drive around the state.. Hasn't it always been like this though?

It's a fucked up law Dean Robert....

How you don't see that is beyond me.......

Thank you so much for posting this Snow! I know it is very personal and difficult to talk about.

It tells the truth about how one family has interacted with the border guards and with the people who are supposed to protect us and why many people do not trust the police.

Until we all remember that we are speaking of people just like us who did not take leaving their families and homes lightly to come to the USA. Just like so many of our ancestors did to be hated just like they were. We have no more right to this land than anyone else does. We are a nation or immigrants. Read about what people said about the Irish, the Italians, the Polish when they arrived here...same exact stuff.

My heart breaks for the 1000's who year who don't make it, who die trying to get here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

This governor says she is on a mission from God to fix things, to stop illegal immigration, to stop partner benefits. I hope this will be a huge wake up call to the rest of the country that this is not acceptable, and that the Federal Government needs to step in. I am very sad that she was next in line to follow the former governor.

Love your fellow human, know that we are all One and that we all deserve dignity and respect.

This law is racist at it's core and need to to be struck down.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

Great, so you think this should be handled like North Korea does? Really? They need to be our example?

[Apocalipstic]

Also, a person can't be illegal. They are undocumented, not illegal.

We are speaking of people.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.


No bubble to burst Cath. Just sharing some info that might prevent someone being taken to a immigration detention centre if they ARE stopped.

Yes, you can take your papers with you everywhere and be stopped for them all the time. But what if it were you and every time you left the house you had to get your papers checked...sounds like North Korea or East Germany (the DDR).

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

I can also bet you at least knew the name of the person who hit you and their address.

wolf

In one instance no...

He did not know who he was....

Spoke perfect *legal* resident talk...

The other two, they ran.......

Stolen cars.

*legal* residents

[wolfwalker]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

Also, a person can't be illegal. They are undocumented, not illegal.

We are speaking of people.

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

Has anyone considered what happens to you if you cross the border in some other countries illegally?

N. Korea jailed 2 hikers and journalists and it took the US govt. to get them back. china? russia? Iran? bet you are never heard from again.

there is not a damn thing wrong with wanting people residing in the country to be known about. ever consider who else is crossing the borders?

Only the USA does little about the illegal problem. I will give you a prime example of why people should be legal. get into a car accident with an illegal and see how quick they disappear and you will be left holding the bag of all the expense.

yes, we should work on a plan to get people legal but until that occurs. we should not give illegals the keys to the country.

wolf

Let me ask you a question, I am being really sincere here, did you not notice which countries you were using as an example?

Another question, do you truly want the US to be like those countries?

Haven't we been told time and time again how those countries are evil and how Human Rights, what little is there, are constantly being violated there?

And lastly, I have been in a few accidents with US citizens and some have taken off too, and it was their fault. Damn US citizens!

[apretty]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

did you miss that part where brown skin is criminalized?

we all have the moral obligation to dis-obey unjust laws (socrates, thoreau, mlk, jr)

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by wolfwalker

they are in this country illegally.

wolf

and you and I are queer...

and the same folx wanting the browns to be sniped are the same folks that want you and I..

OUT...

[The_Lady_Snow]

http://us.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/ariz...ex.html?hpt=C1

[DeanRobert]

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

The people in Arizona that are awaiting deportation trials are housed in a privately run prison in Florance. Yes the state receives federal funds, and whrere to the federal funds come from, us the taxpayer.

Ah so it's big business to hold brown skinned folks in Private PRISON, for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lovely. Does this not smack of Naziism at all to you?
"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it." G.S.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

Dude..

No one is attacking you.....

Are we passionate? yes...

Jesus I get so tired of the fucking my friends said I would get attacked *whine*.. No one is picking on you, like you we state our voice and experiences..

Why people are on this site that are back hand warning folks is beyond me.... Why be here then?

end of my fucking rant..

[Apocalipstic]

I certainly am sorry if you or anyone feels attacked because I disagree with you DeanRobert.

But I have to ask, is this therapy? Are we trying to make each other feel good, or are we having a serious discussion here? Is the water too hot?

I agree that boycotting a state is logistically problematic, but I think the point was and is that we are opposed to this obvious example of racial profiling.

My airbags were manufactured in Canada by Union Auto Workers, By the way.

[PapaC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Ah so it's big business to hold brown skinned folks in Private PRISON, for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lovely. Does this not smack of Naziism at all to you?
"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it." G.S.

TY Corkey, I posted that quote on Facebook just yesterday.

It's a good one.