OSAMA BINLADEN IS DEAD

[DamonK]

Please forgive me for this...

While I'm not saying I believe otherwise.. but because of the original war to go find Bin Laden, I'm cynical.

How do we know it's not a ploy, like beginning the original war "we can find him quickly..." that drug on forever.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.

[Mitmo01]

This is a little victory for all of the people that had loved ones die on 9/11 and symbolically cutting the head off the snake so to speak....the President gave an awesome speech i think and a well deserved thank you to all of our military...
what a way to die...in a nice big mansion using women as human shields... unlike all the innocent victims of 9/11

[MsDemeanor]

Originally Posted by Bootboi

Also no point in the president coming on the TV. Everyone has announced Bin Laden death but the president. Going to seem pretty silly now.

It's not silly at all. This is what Presidents do, this is what citizens expect of their President. It doesn't matter if people already know, it's his duty to stand before this country and deliver the news.

Originally Posted by DamonK

Please forgive me for this...

While I'm not saying I believe otherwise.. but because of the original war to go find Bin Laden, I'm cynical.

How do we know it's not a ploy, like beginning the original war "we can find him quickly..." that drug on forever.

Maybe I'm overly cynical.

Maybe you'll feel better about it after Donald Trump examines the body *giggle*

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The collective GOP brain must be exploding right now. Not only will this news knock them off the front page for a bit, it's going to make this a bad time to criticize Obama. Plus there's that whole favorables are going to soar thing - his poll numbers are probably already up. The final kicker is going to be this September, when the country observes the 10th anniversary knowing that Obama was responsible for finding and killing OBL.

[Rockinonahigh]

Im glad Binladin is dead,now I wanna see the body......

[Tcountry]

Just as long as it took the USA to make this day happen....they have had to plan what to do after it does...

Just because you kill the leader...doesn't make the movement stop...in fact it made the target over the US even bigger.

If someone assassinated the President...the US troops would not stop their efforts. This is a small victory in a huge battle.

[Mtn]

Was anyone else disturbed by the fact that all the celebrants of this EVENT appeared to be under 30 and were acting like they were at a kegger, and they JUST happened to have BIG American flags in their closet saved just for THIS day? Sorry but I was embarrased, as an American by the display, and I feel like it was SETUP, prior to the announcement. I heart Obama, but his ratings have been in the tank, and I believe this has much to do with the presidential race of 2012. Timely news after all of the Trump speak, the tornadoes, and the Royal Wedding....pretty good news bites on a slow news day....If the dude is dead, good, he was not a nice fellow, but killing the head does not kill the body. Or maybe I'm just cranky,lol.

[AtLast]

At first I was stunned, even a bit numb- then personal memories about 9/11 and loss struck.. phone calls to friends and a cousin in new York. Then, thoughts of how horrible this decade has been for our country. There is a generation of our military that have been going through hell and back again, and again!

I even felt strange feeling joy over his being killed. I wondered how this could help the families of 9/11 victims- and then thought about the USS Cole, the first WTC bombing, the London subway bombings, several other slaughters by Bin Laden’s supporters all over the world including thousands of Muslims as well as attacks within the last couple of weeks. Then, I decided I didn't feel badly about our going in and just killing him.

And I too, love it that it was Obama standing up there giving us this news. Eat that, GOP!! But, I also would like to see some unification in the US. I'm tired of the banter and no real solutions to the really big problems we have. Sick of being a cynic. I want some healing. And I want our troops to come home- but this isn't going make this happen any sooner. But it might give our troops a lift!

I'm looking foreword to reports on all of the details of how this all unfolded. GeeZus... Obama was just cracking jokes at the Correspondent’s dinner yesterday and he had given the order to go with this plan the day before!! Yup, life turns on a dime.

Of course the president should make these kinds of announcements in an official manner! That is part of his duty to us. This is a big and important national announcement concerning a long and painful time for us. But Bin Laden’s ugly hand has been behind the killing of many, many innocent people all over the world.

[Gayla]

Originally Posted by Mtn

Was anyone else disturbed by the fact that all the celebrants of this EVENT appeared to be under 30 and were acting like they were at a kegger, and they JUST happened to have BIG American flags in their closet saved just for THIS day? Sorry but I was embarrased, as an American by the display, and I feel like it was SETUP, prior to the announcement. I heart Obama, but his ratings have been in the tank, and I believe this has much to do with the presidential race of 2012. Timely news after all of the Trump speak, the tornadoes, and the Royal Wedding....pretty good news bites on a slow news day....If the dude is dead, good, he was not a nice fellow, but killing the head does not kill the body. Or maybe I'm just cranky,lol.

I just read something on Huff Post about everyone with flags. Apparently, as soon as people started gathering, the folks from Servicemember's United dug a bunch of leftover flags out of their closet (heh) and ran down there and started passing them out. I take a little bit of joy in the fact that everyone is waving *gay* flags around.

As for the rest of it, I'm mostly just conflicted. While I do have a small urge to put out the flag, I'm finding it difficult to "celebrate" anyone's death. I would say that I'm feeling more somber than celebratory right now.

[MsDemeanor]

They buried him at sea. The Freepers and conspiracy folks are gonna have a field day with this. The GOP is probably crafting attacks; after all, they've already given credit for this to Bush....

[JAGG]

I'd like to thank our Armed services for their dedication and sacrifice in accomplishing this mission. I hope the families and friends of those killed at ground zero, the Pentagon, that field in PA, and those killed fighting the war on terrorism can find some closure and maybe some peace in their lives now.
" Let the whole world know that today is a day of recogning, let the weak be strong, let the right be wrong, cast your stone away, let the guilty pay.... it's Independence day!"

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by gayla

I just read something on Huff Post about everyone with flags. Apparently, as soon as people started gathering, the folks from Servicemember's United dug a bunch of leftover flags out of their closet (heh) and ran down there and started passing them out. I take a little bit of joy in the fact that everyone is waving *gay* flags around.

As for the rest of it, I'm mostly just conflicted. While I do have a small urge to put out the flag, I'm finding it difficult to "celebrate" anyone's death. I would say that I'm feeling more somber than celebratory right now.

I know I might be putting my lefty card in peril, but I do have an "Old Glory" in my closet. And I hang it on July 4th and Veteran's and Memorial Days (for service members past in my family). have put up a "Rainbow," too. It will be out tomorrow- more for the 9/11 victims and those that were involved in this mission.

Also, in DC, flags can be bought in every 24 hour convenience store around. There were quite a few service members that were at that rally and in NYC- makes sense that SM United would hand out flags. I can understand people wanting to gather and wave flags around this. But, I am having some somber feelings myself because this has made me think so much about this entire decade and all that has stemmed from 9/11 not the least of which are the deaths of over 5000 of our troops and countless civilians. And our lives in terms of security being changed forever as well as all of the hateful sentiments toward Muslims and Islam when the majority are as opposed
to any terrorist activity. And the really sad thing is that we will never be the same as before 9/11. hell, airport security keeps taking on new dimensions and whacko legislators hold bigoted hearings in the name of "national security."

I'm glad that younger people are out there as most of those we have lost in the Iraq & Afghanistan wars are very young. Why wouldn't there be a generational connection among these young people? One was quoted as saying that this was like “VJ Day” for their generation. I kind of get that (although, the struggle against terrorist activity will be forever with us).

Yup, somber- I totally get that.

[atomiczombie]

I wish they would have taken him alive. A trial would be what I would prefer to outright killing him.

[Miss Scarlett]

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I wouldn't count on it ensuring a quick exit from Afghanistan. We're fighting the Taliban there more than Osama, he was in Pakistan, they've known that a while now but because of the mountainous area there they were having difficulty finding him. They aren't going to drop their weapons and slink off now. I wouldn't hesitate to say we'll see more attacks for the revenge factor of it.


But, pardon me, WOOOOHOOOO!!!!

i agree and am holding my breath over here...they're not going to just lay down their weapons and surrender.

i wonder about who is going to take over his position now and fear that this person will likely be far more dangerous than Bin Laden on his best day.

[Jess]

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

[morningstar55]

Originally Posted by Jess

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

i was thinking kinda the same thoughts...... didnt they say he was dead once before??? just sayin.......

[cuddlyfemme]

This is so wonderful!!! As was said before, God Bless America!!!!!

[SnackTime]

Originally Posted by Jess

I guess I am a cynic also... or else my inner conspiracy theorist has been jump started, but I find it a tad odd that no photos of his body have been released. When Saddam was located, the photos of him being taken into custody and while in custody were all over the world. His hanging was public and ran every two minutes on every news channel.
Bin Laden was the WORLD's most wanted terrorist, shot in the head, body recovered for DNA testing, buried at sea and no one had a cell with a camera? I think if they had time to do DNA research to confirm his identity, they would have had ample time to find a suitable photo of his corpse to release, because ( and I apologize for the cynicism) there is no way in hell those soldiers would not have taken photos of him. This is a HOORAH moment without a doubt, but I will probably reserve my celebration until I see the photos. It's kind of like the infamous "weapons of mass destruction" that weren't there. Bin Laden just feels like another boogeyman or scapegoat in our ongoing struggle with terrorism.

Maybe more shall be revealed in the days and weeks to come. I try to remain open minded, but I tend to prefer evidence. If this helps close a chapter for families and victims of the 9/11 attacks, then I am ever so grateful, because they have suffered far long enough. If it helps send a message to the next "Bin Laden" out there that they too, will be hunted down and killed then good!

I saw a picture of Bin Laden over on facebook (just a head shot). It was a lil gruesome. I also followed a link that had a split screen showing the man shot in the head and a previous photo of Bin Laden

I just heard a report on CNN that the DNA is being tested now.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by SnackTime

I saw a picture of Bin Laden over on facebook (just a head shot). It was a lil gruesome. I also followed a link that had a split screen showing the man shot in the head and a previous photo of Bin Laden

I just heard a report on CNN that the DNA is being tested now.

Yeah, I hadn't heard about any of this until I woke up today and thus far the story keeps changing and revealing more as the morning progresses. I think it premature to form any "real" opinions about any of the "facts" until it has all had time to be processed.

I am quite sure that any photo of any human shot in the head would be gruesome.

Will just keep listening as things unfold.

[Kobi]

I agree with Jess tho for a different reason. Pictures can be doctored.

DNA is a different story.

Somehow, my cynical brain, is having trouble wrapping itself around an operation that supposedly occurred yesterday. Did the elite commandos bring a dna lab and expert with them? Does the USA have a way to speed up the generation of a dna profile that by conservative estimates takes 7-14 days to cook, and additional time to interpret? I'm not even going to ask who's DNA we compared his to determine it was indeed Bin Laden.

And, then we conveniently buried him at sea, so we wouldn't violate Islamic burial law? The number one thorn in the side of the country is found and killed after a decade long pursuit and we took pains to not violate Islamic law?




In my mind, it is not plausible or logical. It will be interesting to see what develops or doesnt develop over the coming weeks.

As for how this reflects on Obama.....again, in my cynical mind, it does nothing to sure up his credibility or enhance his electability. It actually has the opposite effect given the context of the week he has had.

First, he decides to try and silence the "birthers" by releasing his long form birth certificate. Then he goes on the defensive against the rantings of The Donald. The quarterly earnings reports are coming out which will reflect on the strength or lack thereof of this economic recovery admidst the skyrocketing price of oil. The country is being ravaged by killer tornados.

The timing is interesting. And Kobi doesnt believe in coincidences.

Plus, it seems odd that we didnt up the terror alert status or extend warnings
to Americans traveling abroad in light of this. Retaliation is inevitable.

[girl_dee]

Maybe I'm an optimist but I don't think the President would be stupid enough to lie about this, the biggest thing on the agenda.

I do find the timing very suspicious. Hell the guy was living in a mansion on the outskirts of Pakistan.