What made you smile today?

[Glenn]

ALL- Native Americans weren't registered as citizens until 1924. And All Native Americans were not allowed to vote until 1982? In some western states they are STILL being denied the right to vote!-

[cinnamongrrl]

I'm smiling on the inside. I'm grateful to have a strong community to learn from. Lets remember the love.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Wrong.

All women got the right to vote under the 19th amendment passed in 1920.

Black men got the right to vote under the 15th amendment passed in 1870.

Seriously folks, learn some history.

The example I used about women's suffrage was not to say women didn't get the right to vote in 1920. The point I was trying to make is that without a focus on the places where oppression intersects you have the 19th amendment, that gives women the right to vote butting up against state laws and a variety of practices that effectively disenfranchised black women in the South, (black men too) and it took the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's to effect some change, as Anya pointed out. And as Glenn pointed out Native Americans were not citizens and denied the right to vote for another 4 years. My whole point centers on the problems inherent in a feminism that is focused on the general problems which occur for all women and ignores problems unique to lower class women, lesbians, women of color, non binary persons, etc. A feminism over focused on white, straight, upper/middle class, binary conforming women is a feminism that leaves too many women behind. In other words I do not agree with your statement that intersectional feminism dilutes and derails the very meaning and essence of feminism. I believe just the opposite.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Well Kobi that is one of the most bizarre posts I have ever read. Yeah let's advance feminism by voting in a man who brags of sexual assault, goes into a teen beauty pageant to ogle naked teenage girls, is working to take away the Violence of Women's Act, repeal Roe v. Wade and really I could go on for days and days and days with more. Unreal.

Originally Posted by Kobi

SMH. Once again we seem to have a reading comprehension problem.

What you are reacting to is a deliberate distortion of what was said. And you are taking your own distortion as fact and running with it.

The media has taught you well.

Im sorry your candidate lost. She lost for a reason. The democratic party lost for a reason. You lost because you werent listening and still insist on not listening.

Feel free to spend the next 4 years spinning your wheels and immersed in anger and hatred.

Enough.

One of your pet phrases is we have a "reading comprehension problem." Everything I said in my post is true about Trump and has nothing to do with reading. There is tape of him bragging about sexual assault, it is a fact that he was in a room with teen beauty pageant contests when they were in a state of undress, he has taken steps towards getting rid of the Violence Against Women Act, he supports repealing Roe v. Wade. These are all facts.


At our rally today in Albuquerque today, one of the speakers spoke about feminism that is not intersectional and inclusive is nothing but white supremacy. I agree 100%.

Enough is right. Enough of your bullshit. I'm not wasting any more time on your attention-seeking, trollish, hateful self.

[candy_coated_bitch]

Holding hands with my butch while watching live footage of the march on Washington.

[Kenna]

Today did...for several reasons

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Sorry to see that reading comprehension doesnt seem to be your forte.

Everything you said has been addressed. Read it again.

Women are still slaves to a patriarchial system and will continue to be so until they wake up and smell the coffee. What we have gotten are carefully dispensed crumbs to quell the masses which, in the end, serve the patriarchy and keep women oppressed. Simple concept which is manifested in very complex ways every single freakin day.

Enough of the nonsense.

Wow.

I know we're not supposed to be shitty to other members of the site, but bravo to YOU.

Someone's bucking for a first place ribbon in asshattery.

I'm thinking...even with my poor comprehension skills and whatnot...that you just might get it.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by candy_coated_bitch

Holding hands with my butch while watching live footage of the march on Washington.

My coworker and I looked at many of the marches going on around the country and internationally and I was very proud. That definitely made me smile.

[LeftWriteFemme]

I finished writing my 8th century historic fiction!
I began writing it on 6/7/2012 9:14 AM and completed it 1/21/2017 8:02 PM
I am very excited!
52,216 words, my longest book so far
....I think this is book 38 or 39



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[nycfem]

Kobi in your criticism of Obama as not being feminist you wrote:

"Obama threatened to withhold federal educational dollars from all school systems if they did not allow transgendered students to have bathroom choices until title ix. The transgendered population compromises what....2% of the population?"

Isn't demanding that ALL women and girls (whether cis or trans) have a safe space to use the restroom feminist? Since when is it okay to dismiss some women's safety because they are in the minority? Sisterhood to me means leaving no sister behind.

[C0LLETTE]

I may be mistaken, and I'll admit that up front, but the point for most Radical Feminists is that Transwomen are not women and never can be and therefore not "sisters" and their inclusion is part of the intersectional feminism that radical feminists abhor.

If I'm wrong, I'll just write this off as a bad guess.

[nycfem]

There are radical feminists and then there are TERFs, TRANS-EXCLUSIONARY radical feminists. I would hope that Kobi is not speaking from a point of view that excludes the support of equal rights for women who are transgender. We have femmes on this site who are of a trans background, and we welcome them and expect others to welcome them. Anti-trans rhetoric is not welcome on this site towards femmes, butches, or FTMs.

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

I may be mistaken, and I'll admit that up front, but the point for most Radical Feminists is that Transwomen are not women and never can be and therefore not "sisters" and their inclusion is part of the intersectional feminism that radical feminists abhor.

If I'm wrong, I'll just write this off as a bad guess.

[theoddz]

Kobi, I have often loved your posts, sometimes because the ideas you present make me look at a larger picture, or a different view than I may have otherwise considered. I wanted to say something here, though, that I am not, in any way, trying to antagonize or bait. I am honestly trying to understand your actions (specifically, voting for Trump), because this is really confusing me.

Originally Posted by Kobi

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Hard to discuss feminism when women refuse to see, recognize or even know when misogyny is slapping them in their face.Even more detrimental when women support politicians, male or female, who have no qualms of victimizing them even more.

Actions speak louder than words.

[COLOR]

If you believe that it is truly "even more detrimental", as a woman and feminist, to support people who would only further victimize you more, then why, on G-d's little green acre, would you, as a woman and avowed feminist, support and vote for a known abuser/oppressor (Trump)?? Especially when you know he is going to make things far worse for you and your sisters. Your words don't jive with your actions. Is there some other reason, which you are not saying, as to why you voted for Trump??

Really, it would seem that your claim of being such a staunch and engaged feminist, is in direct and obvious conflict with the act of voting for and supporting someone with such an egregious history of disrespecting women and making vile comments, such as "grabbing them by the p*ssy", etc. Can you honestly see other staunch feminists voting for and/or supporting Donald Trump?? For what plausible reason could this ever happen?? In whose universe?? Are you really a feminist?? I want to understand. That's all I'm trying to get at, here.

I don't think I'm the only confused member here.

~Theo~

[Gráinne]

And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).

I don't blame Melania Trump for Donald Trump's treatment of women and I don't blame Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton's either. And I think referring to Hillary Clinton as an enabling wife is really sexist. She was candidate for President of the United States and one of the most qualified to ever run for that office. She's not just somebody's wife whose husband was going to be around if she was elected president of our country.

[BullDog]

I'm still smiling over the solidarity that we all showed at the events on Saturday.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

And here I go stepping in cautiously, with a question. I know many women are protesting Trump; I get it. But what about Bill Clinton, who did unspeakable things in the Oval Office? The alternative to Trump and his Jupiter-size ego was the enabling wife of that philanderer. I can't see why any feminist would want him anywhere close to the White House again (and he would have been in there somehow).

The main difference is that Bill Clinton's philandering was consensual and that he did not condone violence against women and he certainly did not brag about it.

That doesn't make it right, but it is different.

Originally Posted by BullDog

I don't blame Melania Trump for Donald Trump's treatment of women and I don't blame Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton's either. And I think referring to Hillary Clinton as an enabling wife is really sexist. She was candidate for President of the United States and one of the most qualified to ever run for that office. She's not just somebody's wife whose husband was going to be around if she was elected president of our country.

I agree with your description of Hillary Clinton, and that makes me smile because I also believe that she was the most qualified person for the job, but I do feel that she knew about his dalliances. Of course, they are HIS dalliances and the fact that he did what he did should not reflect on her but her behavior afterwards does. I think a lot of folks remembered that. Unfortunately, very strong women have always had a steeper hill to climb than even a weak man.

[Gemme]

Being fully thread compliant, I smiled with my coworker today, listening to Abraham's one liners from The Walking Dead. I laughed too because his character was funny as Hell.

[JDeere]

Work, yes work made me smile.

[gotoseagrl]

Puppy eyes that fight sleep.