Orange is the New Black: Season 2 Discussion

[candy_coated_bitch]

**SPOILERS CONTAINED WITHIN**

A number of folks on the site have finished Season 2 of OITNB and have expressed an interest in getting a discussion going. I decided to start a thread devoted to freely discussing the second season without worry of spoiling it for people who haven't finished watching.

Orange is the New Black Season 2: Talk amongst yerselves.

I will come back to post some of my particular thoughts in a separate post, but here are some ideas for discussion topics:

-How do you feel about Season 1 versus Season 2? Did you like one better than the other?

-Is there anything you were surprised about? Why?

-What was disappointing to you?

-What did you particularly enjoy?

-Do you have a favorite character? Why? Has your favorite character(s) changed this season?

-Is there a character that you hate? One you love to hate?

-Do you have a favorite episode?

-How do you feel learning about the characters' back stories and why they are in prison?

-How do you feel the show relates to lesbian experience? Gender expression? Race? Class? The prison system?

And anything else you can think of or want to comment on!

[ProfPacker]

Thanks CCB. Too late to think tonight will start discussing tomorrow

[Mel C.]

I will chime in. I asked in the other thread if people changed their mind on who their favorite character was from season 1 to 2. I really liked crazy eyes in season 1 but thought she was awful in season 2, until the last episode or two. I also disliked Boo much more this season.

I definitely want (more) Alex in season 3!

[feminality]

I started watching this show 10 days ago .. I became addicted RIGHT away... Soo Im not sure how many shows everyone has watched of season 2 so far, so I don't want to give away the ending .... BUT OMG OMG I didn't see it coming .. I am now and will always be a orange is the New Black fan!!! I am so sad that I will have to wait for what will seem like a lifetime for Season 3 to come out ... I would love to talk about any of the episodes in season one or two .. let me know *S*

[imperfect_cupcake]

I never liked boo. Something about her creeped me out. That's been explained. I loved Nikki and poussey for butchesque crushes. I still feel that way but feel even more sighs for poussey now.
Tastey always amused me, but she shines in this series.

That's all for now.

[ProfPacker]

the show was amazing this season because so many of the women's lives were explained. You got a real feel for their internal worlds. Poussey was amazing as was Tastey. I read that they are both Julliard graduates and knew each other in school. I want to hear what brought Crazy Eyes and Boo into prison. They did save some back stories for Season 3

I agree the Boo was creepy and they really have to develop the character next season to not be what appears to be a "typical bull dyke". This is the one "hole" in the story.

I can only say again that when Alex was on there was an electricity. I think that even Piper has evolved and we are seeing that she is changing and noticing that her privilege might be a detriment. I might have to watch Season 2 again. I am sure I missed alot.

[Runner]

Loved this season though to be honest would not have missed Larry and the best friend. They bore me but that may be just me.

Nikki I love - you know that she's that kinda fuck that's gonna make your hair curl

Vee - I know she can be sadistic but honestly her nipples would bring me to my knees, she is so fucking sexy. Beautiful woman

[WolfyOne]

The ending was efing karma, but I did not see it coming...I want the next season to start like yesterday.

[ProfPacker]

Me too. But I'm think we will be seeing a lot of our cast in interviews, photo shoots, etc I'm am following them on Instagram and twitter

[candy_coated_bitch]

I really liked Season 2! More so even than Season 1 and I loved the show from the start. I thought the characters were really fleshed out more, even though there were flashbacks in Season 1 as well.

I definitely also came to LOOOOOVE Poussey!!! I thought she was cute and all last season, but I really liked seeing her back story and I also just loved her character this season as well. I like her a lot as a person now. At first I was concerned that the season was going to be all about flashbacks to everyone's story and that it would get really jumbled and I wouldn't like it. And there was a great deal of time devoted to telling a lot of people's stories, but I thought there was a lot of current drama as well.

Last season I would have said my favorite characters were Alex and Crazy Eyes, but that definitely changed. Even though Alex is wicked hot, half the time I want to punch her in the face. I didn't miss her this season as much as others, I think. And Crazy Eyes, OMG it was just awful and hard to watch. I think her crazy was more sympathetic and humorous in the first season and the second season she became kind of a pathetic character. Though done VERY well, don't get me wrong.

I LOVED the ending. I thought it was fucking hilarious. I love that Piper just became more tough and has started to just really not give a fuck on a lot of levels. I love that she screwed Alex over by calling the police on her, and do look forward to Alex being back more next season. Also--Morello giving the woman with cancer (can't remember her name) the van and letting her escape was awesome and even MORE awesome was her seeing Vee walking down the road and just taking her out. I don't know why, but that just made me happy inside LOL!!!!! But I am sick like that.

Agreed that Big Boo is creepy and I have more thoughts on that, but for another time.

[imperfect_cupcake]

crazy eyes I get. I have sympathy for her. she is fiercely loyal, with no boundaries and low self concept. she was horrifically manipulated by someone skilled. I totally sympathise with her. and she is nuts. that's what happens. shes vulnerable to emotional blackmail. I don't like her any less.

Nikki could take me anywhere she wanted. seriously.

but Poussey? I'd make her breckfast in bed.

[ProfPacker]

I agree with both ccb and hb. I also saw Crazy Eyes within the context of a white family who really didn't get it. The scene in the hospital with the nurse doing her hair was touching but heartbreaking...white people who were color neutral. What was great about Poussey, in addition to being cute was her backbone and integrity. Rosa taking Vee out was a hallelujah moment.

One more thing...Piper didn't just cop on Alex for revenge. She wanted her in prison with her so they could be together. That move in the plot as a way to get Alex back was brilliant

[Mel C.]

I really didnt care for crazy eyes beating the crap out of people this season. When she peed on the floor last season...hilarious. All the chocolate and vanilla swirl or dandelion stuff...loved it! The beating of piper (who is annoying but has yummy moments) and poussey (who may be my favorite if I ignore how hot Alex is) was something I could have done without. I get that there is violence in the world, especially in prison, but I dont have to like seeing it. The episodes where crazy eyes was being framed for attacking red and where crazy eyes cried won me back.

All around, the acting and storyline were great. More Alex make-outs next year please.

[Medusa]

Season 2 started out really slow for me and I almost thought it was going to suck about 2 episodes in.

The first season relied heavily on the book and several things in season 1 actually happened in real life (the famous CrazyEyes piss incident). Season 2 felt contrived to me in some ways and there were definitely moments where I knew they had tried to be witty and it just fell flat.

This season I loved Red, Taystee, Pousay, the trio of older women inmates (their names escape me), and even Vee at times.

I was completely irritated by the whole Larry/Best Friend thing and hope that they get rid of both of them in season 3. I mean, Larry comes off as a schmuck and the best friend was just....I mean, walking around with your tits out in front of your best friend's guy? It just wasn't believable to me. And the way they went to the prison for Piper's blessing? Gross.

I was bothered by the scene of CrazyEyes pouring water on Miss Rosa's food. That scene was especially cruel and it didn't feel like it fit with Crazyeye's personality. I guess they were trying to show the change in her because if her loyalty.

Piper irritated the piss out of me this season.

I hated Big Boo this season (which, I think the writer's intend because her behavior isn't so different from Nicky and most of us LOVE her).

I liked Caputo this season and Laverne Cox's character, Sophia, was spectacular. I'll be glad when they give her an actual story.

The scene with Red getting slocked hurt my feelings.

I LOVED to hate Vee. I initially loved her character and thought her to be a worthy villain but she got down-right evil as the season went on. Her ending was pretty unexpected.

[Bard]

We actually CHEERED at the end when Rosa ran over Vee i so wanted to slock the bitch that being said the actress who played Vee is awesome she always makes you really believe the character she plays. The whole Crazy Eyes development hurt my heart but I can see it the whole we've got manners were polite scene was AWESOME you gotta LOVE the way they developed the characters and you come away with favorites like Nicky and Miss Rosa all in all we loved it

[ProfPacker]

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[Dude]

My brain might explode if I don't purge something about
this show. Can I be brief ? No , probably not ;/
As much as I love the show , I felt my intelligence insulted
by unrealistic story lines. It felt hurried with filler that did
Not interest me. I felt even more ripped off when I learned
there is a 5 woman / 2 men writing team , with a 4 million
budget for a one hour show. Seriously? I hope they do better.

Things I would like to see happen are:
Fig comes back as inmate ( highly unlikely in the real world but
I would soo enjoy it anyway)

The father to be needs to quit his job there, find a better one
and those two be together . The end -already

Healey's wife kills him in self defence as he tries to force her
into wifely duties. ( dislike him - want him gone)
The wife and Red fall madly in love, get out together and open
their own restaurant. ( I'd shave Red's legs anyday - her husband
has deserted her -FFs - give her some love)

Rosa and Morello bond was heartwarming.
Morello gets counseling for her fucked up childhood
and her and Nikki live happily evah after.

Boo - her and Nikki know where the heroin is. Nikki
Again does the right thing knowing she will use again
if it's in there. Boo tries to hide it again but the DEA
( who was called in) busts her, takes her off in a van.
The driver of the van is Vee in disguise! Bwah !

Vee may not be dead. She is such a good actress she could
likely pull off coming back in a different role. I'd now like to see
her replace the " invisible wardon" and come back as a kick ass
positive character. ( far fetched maybe but she is that good!)

Piper - be gone. I liked her more season 2 but ... Alex had freedom,
I hope Alex finds out it was her doing , and hooks up with hmm ...
someone not so selfish. Yes, in a way she is trying to protect her from
being offed but she should have let her dissapear .Alex could then
somehow get the king pin off her ass and swoop up Piper when she gets out.
But I don't like Piper - so forget that ending! ;/

Sophia ( Sophia - Sophia <3 ) focus on her for an entire series,
her and son work through their stuff , released early for good behavior
opens a salon next to Red's restaurant! Snort ! Why not?

Yoga's back story. I'd like to see more of it as a recovering alcoholic.
People don't understand how dangerous drunks can get. I know two
women who have both accidentally killed kids while driving drunk.
I know she shot a kid but That wasn't Really her and she's better now.
Let her out but have her come back and do group.
She can write a best seller ,open a yoga shop
around the corner from Sophia and Red.

Poussey? Her eyes damn! I'd fix her breakfast too!
Tastee goes to shoe for a month and realizes she's
In love with Poussey , they both get released early ,
get married and live happily ever aftah

The end ( yeah)
So many characters to love they could do this for years
and I hope they will.
I also hope they will stream some of that money into
Real women's prisons and think if they did they would be
A huge success for a very long time.
If not money , then prompt investigations and reform.
Miss Claudette had a bad accident in real life ( apparently
With Out sufficient medical coverage) and I
hope they do the right thing by her too.
It would be great if they figured out a way to bring
her back.
If they can randomly call off a twelve inmate transfer
They can do anything right?
The face licker in Chicago was scarier to me than Vee.
Transfer her in to torment Piper a little?
Oh ....and
Can Pennsitucky go off her new meds? ( soon?!)
I don't want to like her - evah! Thanks ;]
Ok
I think I'm
Done
Now

Woah

[Dude]

Wait !
I forgot my newest crush ? - Gloria!
She falls for crazy eyes and helps her not be crazy!
A nice , slow romance. Gloria invents an herbal remedy
for Suzanne 's issues. That would be a hot couple.
Not one inter racial couple? It is time.
Notice how I'm turning everyone queer? ;]

[*Anya*]

Love your questions for analysis CCB!

Don't have time to respond right now, still @ work but I will say:

Alex would not necessarily have to f**k me but I sure would like it if she talked to me all night.

Love her voice!



(My honey knows this little piece of info).

[Dude]

Ew
Let me clarify what I was trying to say about Healey.
I should have been more clear with my wording.
I think he is a sexist ass who thinks he's entitled to
his rage. How many therapists do you know who would
allow him to stay seated or continue on after calling
them a c_ _t? End of session for me. I hate that he was
Not dismissed immediately when he did that.
Maybe they were trying to show the crap women have
to deal with? Who would feel comfortable alone with a
strange man who just called you that? Him picking a
woman therapist felt gross to me too.
We saw his anger around his wife , a few sessions about
feelings with Pennsitucky does not fix a rage - aholic.
I hope they don't think we are that dumb.
So yeah , I see a ticking time bomb with no respect for
women and want him to snap and go away.