In Celebration of Butch Femininity

[Julie]

Tapu to the rescue.
Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.
And there you have. You are not a Lesbian if you do not indulge in the mighty pussy.

As far as the thanking of posts. I wrote about this in the other thread. I might not agree with what the poster is saying, but often - I will thank them for their participation.

And yes, I am rather Ranty (love the descriptor of me) I think it fits rather well.

I wonder how it would go down if a butch posted a similar thread in the femme zone and it was then populated mainly by butches?

Just askin' yanno?

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by Julie

Tapu to the rescue.
Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.
And there you have. You are not a Lesbian if you do not indulge in the mighty pussy.

As far as the thanking of posts. I wrote about this in the other thread. I might not agree with what the poster is saying, but often - I will thank them for their participation.

And yes, I am rather Ranty (love the descriptor of me) I think it fits rather well.

Sadly that depends Julie, cause I LOVE PUSSY, I do, I love cunts, vaginas, labias, panochas, pootnanie, so on and so on.

But, I have been told I can not be lesbian, so I guess it all depends who is going to police lesbian that day.

I have another question about this fucking shit, what happens to the Trans Women who can't afford bottom surgery and are in this very community, are the not lesbians? Cause I believe they are 100% my lesbian, Femme comrades. STOP ERASING THEM

That is one big problem that needs to be solved I believe, or not either way


I LOVE PUSSY I eat it like a Lion.

[*Anya*]

Originally Posted by *Anya*

Honestly, I had been feeling really good about the acceptance I was feeling on the Planet for everyone the last few months.

For everyone.

My quote was not complete when tapu quoted me and was therefore out of context.

I just hate, hate lesbian-bashing.

It makes my skin crawl and my back get up.

I also hate stone-bashing.

I hate Trans-bashing.

If I left your ID or gender out- purely accidental. I hate you getting bashed, too.

Enough already.

FFS, do we not have to deal enough with being pitted against each other in the real world?

Does it have to happen here, too?

Really?

[BullDog]

Well okay Tapu, your definition doesn't work for me. It feels quite narrow and I don't like people being reduced to body parts- or one body part.

[Julie]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Sadly that depends Julie, cause I LOVE PUSSY, I do, I love cunts, vaginas, labias, panochas, pootnanie, so on and so on.

But, I have been told I can not be lesbian, so I guess it all depends who is going to police lesbian that day.

I have another question about this fucking shit, what happens to the Trans Women who can't afford bottom surgery and are in this very community, are the not lesbians? Cause I believe they are 100% my lesbian, Femme comrades. STOP ERASING THEM

That is one big problem that needs to be solved I believe, or not either way


I LOVE PUSSY I eat it like a Lion.

Ya know Snow... My partner does not like hys pussy ventured upon. I am okay with saying such, as hy has openly discussed this in the Stone Butch thread. I spent years loving the pussy - devouring it as it should be... But now, my pussy days are over.

I love MY PUSSY! Oh yes I do. Therefore, I am.

MTF's are still not allowed or welcomed at Michigan Womyn's FEST. They will never (this place) get my patronage.

And you are not considered a Lesbian (let us not forget) because you are lovin/fuckin on a trans guy. <shrugs> Oh the rules that have been bestowed upon us.

[ProfPacker]

responding to Anya's post:


FFS, do we not have to deal enough with being pitted against each other in the real world?

Does it have to happen here, too?

I am not weighing in on the politics and particulars of ID.
But when you say" we have to deal with enough with being pitted against each other in the real world? Does it have to happen here, too".

This is exactly what happens when people are marginalized in the dominant society: they turn against each other, the rage builds up, the splits occur and everyone walks away saying "how did this happen". Not to get too psychological her but this happens when people deal with race "she is too black, she is too white" socioeconomic status: "real rich vs. neuvaux (sp) rich.

Do I know the answer to the dynamics ensuing, no. Except, when we become conscious of it we may true to move into the position of empathy...being empathic to all the differences. That is hard, not sure I do it at all, but I am trying to become more aware of it.

I know this is not a sexy post...but everyone is struggling so hard with this that maybe a discussion around why this is so hard, why we can be bashing towards each other is not ok, should ensue. How we want to handle these differences.

[Candelion]

This isn't much of a celebration of butch femininity. BUTCHES ROCK!!!

[Martina]

Originally Posted by tapu

Cue intellectual reverse snobbery. Do I have a GPS tracker on me? <lifts shoes to look under>

I fear that if we knew what you were actually saying half the time, your posts would be even MORE offensive.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Candelion

This isn't much of a celebration of butch femitninity. BUTCHES ROCK!!!

Well, serious threads on similar topics seem to veer into whatever is the site preoccupation or issue of the day. It's inevitable. Some folks try to move them back toward the original intent, but it tends to just kill the thread. Eventually this will die down, and the thread will return to its original purpose.

The idea of butch femininity was bound to bring up a lot, in any case. Yes, there are lots of other gender politics being discussed. From my point of view, so be it.

I dislike it when people get whiplash because someone wants to put the breaks on a conversation for basically formal reasons -- it's not the original topic, for example. If it gets out of hand -- offending and hurting -- then, by all means, stop it. Otherwise, I say, let things go where they go. My opinion.

And the conversation straying a bit does not imply anyone does not think butches rock, if that was part of what you meant.

[C0LLETTE]

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really runs.

On a more personal note:
I started to write a small history of how I came to this site and why I'm still wandering around with bullet holes in my back from my first days here in chat. In the midst of that, I received an email which I'll quote here:

"In my heart I am not a failure or a loser.
Not asking for a magic wand. I get up and wait in county lines for aid or food 4 hours sometimes 6 a day.
I am hungry and hopeless.
Medi-care is causing me to start all over again.My medication i need was denied . I am fighting it and have a state hearing . another nightmare. tirred. i am so tired.
i need help from you, but understand
i liked hearing your voice today"

And that's where I lost my train of thought in this thread.

[Candelion]

Originally Posted by Martina

Well, serious threads on similar topics seem to veer into whatever is the site preoccupation or issue of the day. It's inevitable. Some folks try to move them back toward the original intent, but it tends to just kill the thread. Eventually this will die down, and the thread will return to its original purpose.

The idea of butch femininity was bound to bring up a lot, in any case. Yes, there are lots of other gender politics being discussed. From my point of view, so be it.

I dislike it when people get whiplash because someone wants to put the breaks on a conversation for basically formal reasons -- it's not the original topic, for example. If it gets out of hand -- offending and hurting -- then, by all means, stop it. Otherwise, I say, let things go where they go. My opinion.

And the conversation straying a bit does not imply anyone does not think butches rock, if that was part of what you meant.

I don't mind that the conversation strayed. It's a lively discussion. I just wanted to jump in with a celebratory kudos to butches. That's all.

[imperfect_cupcake]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really .

I did.
But I'm really conscious I'm yarping in a butch thread about myself, presently.

[weatherboi]

Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

So far what I've noticed in reading here is that some people have been offended, even hurt, by what some other people or groups have said. Some friends have been lost, some made; but what I don't see is anyone saying they changed who they were or wanted to be because of what was said. Can make you wonder how deep this all really runs.

On a more personal note:
I started to write a small history of how I came to this site and why I'm still wandering around with bullet holes in my back from my first days here in chat. In the midst of that, I received an email which I'll quote here:

"In my heart I am not a failure or a loser.
Not asking for a magic wand. I get up and wait in county lines for aid or food 4 hours sometimes 6 a day.
I am hungry and hopeless.
Medi-care is causing me to start all over again.My medication i need was denied . I am fighting it and have a state hearing . another nightmare. tirred. i am so tired.
i need help from you, but understand
i liked hearing your voice today"

And that's where I lost my train of thought in this thread.

Are you saying someone asked you for money???

[C0LLETTE]

If that is what you got from my post then I obviously need to stop posting here.

[tapu]

Originally Posted by Martina

I fear that if we knew what you were actually saying half the time, your posts would be even MORE offensive.

And I fear that no matter what I could ever say, you'd find yourself offended.

Cheers~

[tapu]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Well okay Tapu, your definition doesn't work for me. It feels quite narrow and I don't like people being reduced to body parts- or one body part.

Yes, I understand your objections. How would you phrase a bare-bones, dictionary definition of a lesbian? (That was all I was trying to get at. There are differences and nuances I recognize, outside life in a dictionary.)

Thank you for your direct, and respectful, response, btw. That was great.

[Selenay]

Originally Posted by tapu

tapu's dictionary:

Got a pussy? Like pussy exclusively? Yer a lesbian.

My sexuality is not based around my, or anyone else's, underwear stuffing.

[tapu]

Originally Posted by Selenay

My sexuality is not based around my, or anyone else's, underwear stuffing.

Okay, give me your basic definition of the English language word lesbian.

Just give us at this point where to start: those semantic features that are necessary and sufficient to add up to "lesbian"

[Martina]

Tapu, please do not use the reputation comments to me to post critical/unfriendly remarks. My understanding is that that is against the TOS.