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Old 11-15-2019, 09:36 PM   #3861
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If there is proof he didn't do it, why hasn't it been brought up till now? If he is guilty, fry him.
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If there is proof he didn't do it, why hasn't it been brought up till now? If he is guilty, fry him.
If there is an atom of doubt that a convicted person may not have committed the crime for which they will be executed, execution is a cruel, unfitting and unusual punishment for most crimes. A much more fitting punishment would life in Super Max prison with, yes with, the possibility of parole under certain conditions.

Internal war, coup d'tat, or a revolution is quite a different situation. The war crimes as determined by the victor should be tried in a military tribunal similar to the Nuremberg trials or The USSR tribunals.
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Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) could face a review of whether he violated House ethics rules by allegedly meeting with a former Ukrainian official to get dirt on the Bidens on a taxpayer-funded trip. At least one outside group has filed a complaint against Nunes with the independent Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE), which can review cases against lawmakers and refer them to the House Ethics Committee.

The Democratic Coalition, a liberal group, filed an ethics complaint against Nunes, with the OCE alleging that he violated House rules by having a conflict of interest in the impeachment inquiry if he had interactions with people under investigation and by engaging in political activity while on official business.

Him and his pious demeanor during the hearings were so sickening. Oh how I hope they fry this little piss-ant....
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If there is an atom of doubt that a convicted person may not have committed the crime for which they will be executed, execution is a cruel, unfitting and unusual punishment for most crimes. A much more fitting punishment would life in Super Max prison with, yes with, the possibility of parole under certain conditions.

Internal war, coup d'tat, or a revolution is quite a different situation. The war crimes as determined by the victor should be tried in a military tribunal similar to the Nuremberg trials or The USSR tribunals.
If he did commit this crime, its cheaper to fry him then it is to house him, max security prisons are expensive to continue to run. The whole system needs an overhaul, I am for lethal injection, electric chair, hanging, firing squad punishments.

There is a whole list of crimes that people deserve to die for, as a person who has a loved on in prison, the one my half bro committed, he should have been dead by now, to me there is no such thing as rehabiliating a criminal.

Oklahoma and Texas are ranked 1 and 2 for being death states, to me the states cant execute these people fast enough, save us tax payers money for once.

This continuing court cases going back and forth is wasting more money, that can go to other things, pisses me off!
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The homeless are fed and embraced across the country at Thanksgiving. The rest of the year? Cities are pushing back!

It just slays me now how all of a sudden, within these past few years, public elected officials have sat up and taken notice of the homeless problem! Perhaps they thought if they ignored the problem long enough it'd just go away??

When I moved to Seattle in 2002 there were homeless living on the streets but it wasn't ever addressed as I remember. If some event came to the city they'd force the homeless to another area so as not to distract from whatever was happening. Other than that mostly it wasn't mentioned or reported on!

Within these past years Seattle has experienced a building boom! Downtown, West Seattle, Ballard, the list goes on and on. Developer swooped in and bought up properties, tore down perfectly good affordable housing only to replace it with condos or rentals units that were far beyond the cost that the average working stiff could afford. The rub was, often times there were zoning laws that should of prevented this but mysteriously *cough cough* got changed in quick order!

So now, with so much of the once affordable housing gone, is it any wonder there is even more of a homelessness problem. The Mayor of Seattle, the Common Council, the Board Of Supervisors, etc etc are all running around now like chickens with their heads cuts off trying to come up with solutions to this problem when they should of been paying attention all along!
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If he did commit this crime, its cheaper to fry him then it is to house him, max security prisons are expensive to continue to run. The whole system needs an overhaul, I am for lethal injection, electric chair, hanging, firing squad punishments.

There is a whole list of crimes that people deserve to die for, as a person who has a loved on in prison, the one my half bro committed, he should have been dead by now, to me there is no such thing as rehabiliating a criminal.

Oklahoma and Texas are ranked 1 and 2 for being death states, to me the states cant execute these people fast enough, save us tax payers money for once.

This continuing court cases going back and forth is wasting more money, that can go to other things, pisses me off!
Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.
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Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.
You really wanna go there with me?
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Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.
Lets see...


Any type of sex offense, rape, pedophilia, bestiality, etc

Murder any class of murder... That includes my half bro who should be dead for his crime.

Any class of violent crime... If you're violent with humans, animals you need to go too.

Having people who are guilty, sitting there wasting tax money irks me. I don't believe in rehabilitation of a person with a sick mind....
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re: death penalties-i don't see them resolving any of society's ills, bringing back loved ones or restoring the overall peace and tranquility of a community...killing is killing...housing those ill favored individuals won't redeem them it's true but neither does agreeing to kill them makes us a better society. Killing as punishment or for any reason is a indictment of a society that is rampant in greed, evil and has no mercy for the less fortunate..We are violent creatures and would rather wallow in a filthy soup filled with violence as a means to an end rather then search diligently and fervently to resolve poverty and seek all available means to provide equal opportunity for all individuals and to banish want..value charity and the inestimable worth of each creature on this planet.
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re: death penalties-i don't see them resolving any of society's ills, bringing back loved ones or restoring the overall peace and tranquility of a community...killing is killing...housing those ill favored individuals won't redeem them it's true but neither does agreeing to kill them makes us a better society. Killing as punishment or for any reason is a indictment of a society that is rampant in greed, evil and has no mercy for the less fortunate..We are violent creatures and would rather wallow in a filthy soup filled with violence as a means to an end rather then search diligently and fervently to resolve poverty and seek all available means to provide equal opportunity for all individuals and to banish want..value charity and the inestimable worth of each creature on this planet.
So you think pedophiles, sex offenders, abusers, etc should continue to live on this earth?
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Gee whiz, couple of years ago (and maybe still ) we would have executed all "gay" persons and anyone buying a dildo or other sex toy...sexual perverts and all.
Maybe the only people we should consider executing are the ones who would execute others. Probably be a lot less executing going on if we did that.
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So you think pedophiles, sex offenders, abusers, etc should continue to live on this earth?
I don't think repaying cruelty with more cruelty will help things at all J..i hope someday you can see my point of view or even better live in a world where this is possible.
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Sorry no. Not gonna happen. But you answered my question by not answering at all.

I refuse to live in a world where sick fucks get to roam where their victims hide or kill themselves.
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I used to think this way, JDeere. To me, it was a simple matter of numbers - if someone did something that deserved death, it was cheaper to execute them than to keep them alive in some prison. It made perfect sense to me that people who didn't deserve to live, also didn't deserve to live off my money for the rest of their lives. I also (still think) it is not good to put people in the position of being prison guards. I think it is bad for them psychologically, and turns them into the kind of people we really don't need in society (and this remains an unsolved problem).

But more recently, I have decided that perhaps it is worth the money to keep people in prison. For instance, it is just not possible for our justice system to be right every time - so, if we kill everyone that we think deserves it, we will be wrong sometimes. Executing those people is just wrong, whether we do it in good faith or not.

I don't think some laws are perfect, either - for instance, the one for pedophiles. What if it's a 20-year-old who sleeps consensually with a 17-year-old - should we call that 20-year-old a pedophile? There are certainly some communities that would do so if the two people were the same gender, or perhaps if the parents of the 17-year-old wanted to put a stop to the relationship.

Also, there are people it is not a good idea to kill for the sake of society - for instance, Charles Manson. Charles Manson is clearly crazy and evil, and possibly the best thing for him and everyone else would have been to execute him. However, society can't risk making him into a folk hero. There are mass murderers and cult leaders and well-known Nazis and others that we can't execute simply because we don't want to turn them into martyrs for those causes.

And finally, I also decided that it is just more important to show mercy in most cases. Leaving people in prison to rot is more merciful in my mind than executing them. It is not even so much that it is important for the bad people to receive mercy; to me, it's even more important that good people (and bad people who don't get caught) show mercy. That's the kind of society I want to live in - not an "eye for an eye" kind of world, but the kind where people show each other mercy.

No problem here if you disagree with me - many people often do. I certainly think I understand your point of view, and a small part of me, in some circumstances, agrees with you.
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I used to think this way, JDeere. To me, it was a simple matter of numbers - if someone did something that deserved death, it was cheaper to execute them than to keep them alive in some prison. It made perfect sense to me that people who didn't deserve to live, also didn't deserve to live off my money for the rest of their lives. I also (still think) it is not good to put people in the position of being prison guards. I think it is bad for them psychologically, and turns them into the kind of people we really don't need in society (and this remains an unsolved problem).

But more recently, I have decided that perhaps it is worth the money to keep people in prison. For instance, it is just not possible for our justice system to be right every time - so, if we kill everyone that we think deserves it, we will be wrong sometimes. Executing those people is just wrong, whether we do it in good faith or not.

I don't think some laws are perfect, either - for instance, the one for pedophiles. What if it's a 20-year-old who sleeps consensually with a 17-year-old - should we call that 20-year-old a pedophile? There are certainly some communities that would do so if the two people were the same gender, or perhaps if the parents of the 17-year-old wanted to put a stop to the relationship.

Also, there are people it is not a good idea to kill for the sake of society - for instance, Charles Manson. Charles Manson is clearly crazy and evil, and possibly the best thing for him and everyone else would have been to execute him. However, society can't risk making him into a folk hero. There are mass murderers and cult leaders and well-known Nazis and others that we can't execute simply because we don't want to turn them into martyrs for those causes.

And finally, I also decided that it is just more important to show mercy in most cases. Leaving people in prison to rot is more merciful in my mind than executing them. It is not even so much that it is important for the bad people to receive mercy; to me, it's even more important that good people (and bad people who don't get caught) show mercy. That's the kind of society I want to live in - not an "eye for an eye" kind of world, but the kind where people show each other mercy.

No problem here if you disagree with me - many people often do. I certainly think I understand your point of view, and a small part of me, in some circumstances, agrees with you.

Yes i disagree of course. But when something happens to family personally.. You get tired of being kind.
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This is truly a difficult subject for everyone. Once upon a time, I bumped into an acquaintance who was chatting outside a coffee place with someone I didn't know, and so I said hi, and my acquaintance went to fetch coffee, and left me standing there alone with this really big fella. This fella was wearing biker logo, and so I took the opportunity to talk one-on-one with this fella, and being bloody curious, I began to talk about feelings cause I wondered what someone like that felt in his heart. (I was aware that this particular gang had to earn their "logo" by killing someone.).... So..... I asked him what he felt in his heart. And, curiously, he answered completely. He said that when he did feel inside, he felt a coldness. Without going into detail, I met someone else who had killed many years before, and the coldness coming off of him was incredible - so much so that I had to move away. I have understood that anyone who kills anyone has this inside of them, and there is nothing that would empty/heal this coldness, nothing, nothing at all, not even organized religion could "save" them. The thing is, for me at least, that anyone who kills anyone else has literally "killed" themselves.

Personally, I would not like to sit in judgement over anyone. I would feel responsible in some way, and this is not acceptable to me. I wouldn't want the bad karma associated with such a responsibility. So, the problem remains what to do with such monsters...? Obviously, they should never be allowed to live in the same world as I do and move around freely where they might harm anyone else again. Please understand that I live in Canada, where capital punishment is no longer permitted. So, the only thing I can say is that there is the judgement of life imprisonment, with no chance of parole, ever. That would be my take on the subject.

There is also the problem that approx. 1 in 25 people who are in prison for x sort of crimes who is innocent, and might possibly be exonerated. (I saw that on TV, hope I got the stats right ... not sure)

What I do know of criminal justice is that it was originally based on vengeance, an eye-for-eye... and tooth-for-tooth. The clever words of those in the legal profession seem to have morphed the idea of "vengeance" into the idea of "justice", a rather stupid euphemism. I do not feel nor think that this is justice, it is only a judgement. And, I would add, I do not believe for one minute that vengeance enacted can in any way "heal" the grieving relatives - those left behind.

What I have learned and understood is that there are professionals such as profilers who have studied "monsters" who are imprisoned and have used that understanding to catch other monsters. Not only that, but have used that understanding to discover the fact of very young kids starting off by doing harm (for example, to small animals) and someone being alerted to that and social services intervening.
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J..i never suggested nor do i believe those who have harmed people or other creatures should roam around freely...never should they be allowed out again but locked away securely and treated humanely..having access to decent food, mental health care, and an approved library for reading, access to some (in prison) college classes, outgoing mail w approval..access to internet?...probably not..No cell phones. Limited visitation from lawyers and close relations and all their correspondence and visitors should be checked thoroughly for objects and substances they shouldn't have.
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J..i never suggested nor do i believe those who have harmed people or other creatures should roam around freely...never should they be allowed out again but locked away securely and treated humanely..having access to decent food, mental health care, and an approved library for reading, access to some (in prison) college classes, outgoing mail w approval..access to internet?...probably not..No cell phones. Limited visitation from lawyers and close relations and all their correspondence and visitors should be checked thoroughly for objects and substances they shouldn't have.
Umm they already have access to all this including drugs, cell phones, etc.

Prisoners get better health care then non prisoners do.

The system allows them the use of notebook internet deals to check emails from family, etc.

So again taking my tax dollars to live better than me and feel no remorse, naw not cool. Maybe one day someone may burn down all the prisons with all the inmates in them. Spare us a shit ton of tax dollars to put back into other areas it's needed.
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