Lesbian Femmes & Lesbian Butch Pussy - WOMEN ONLY

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

NO, it wasn't started just to meet femmes. Its the name in the title but it was intended to be able to connect with femmes and others to discuss the topic and make connections in that way . I welcome anyone of any ID to come talk about it here in whatever name they wanna call it. Just for me it was a connection to see what other lesbians felt about butch pussy/cunt/cock/however you choose to call it, and to talk freely with others that possibly have been where I've been. Anywho, thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by TruTexan

bumping the thread to get read and keep it going for lesbian IDs to interact in.

TruTexan...I mean no disrespect. My previous post took me too long on my new tablet then I had to try again...in the mean time you posted the above...Now I'm really confused. This is in the Butch Zone and now appears it belongs in the Lesbian Zone.

I am a non-stone Femme that would lavish in giving oral to my Butch or "Gay Female" as I note above, but I seriously do not feel like I belong in your "lesbian circle".

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

OK first of all this thread was created by me,the OP, for the intent and purpose for lesbian butches and lesbian femmes to discuss lesbian butch pussy without interjection from folks about anything but what the title states. So far we've had several comments made that appear to me to be misogynistic and sexist by folks that don't even ID as lesbian. I"ve not been here much lately and I apologize for that. I have been busy dealing with life in r/t.
Personally I don't have a cock, to me a cock is something I use on my partner that attaches to my body in a strap or is handheld, I don't see it as an extension of myself.I have a pussy and a clit which is NOT a cock to me. Therefore this thread is about Lesbian butch pussy as the title states.

I want this to be a frank and open discussion from folks that ID as lesbian here, about butch pussy, not butch cock or anything else. Please don't start taking this thread into a place that it is NOT intended to go.
Lets keep this thread on track. I think I have said enough.

And in reference to your statement above about people that "do not even ID as lesbian"...unbeknownst to you or others, they may have walked in their life as lesbian at one time or have a hard time claiming that term. Please don't erase them or their journey...or inadvertently make us feel invalid. Just because you don't see them as lesbian, doesn't mean their feelings or previous experience isn't valid to your subject or stories about them as a female\woman having sex with other women,

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by Kenna

And in reference to your statement above about people that "do not even ID as lesbian"...unbeknownst to you or others, they may have walked in their life as lesbian at one time or have a hard time claiming that term. Please don't erase them or their journey...or inadvertently make us feel invalid. Just because you don't see them as lesbian, doesn't mean their feelings or previous experience isn't valid to your subject or stories about them as a female\woman having sex with other women,

Kenna I am not erasing anyone, it is the fact that lesbian butches that ID as women or female that are being erased here in this thread by male ID coming in a making fun of or misogynistic sexist statements. And why is it that when I want talk openly and freely with other lesbian butches and femmes about butch pussy that they have to come in and interject turn the thread into a butch cock thread? This is not the intent of the original statement I made for the thread. It erases me as a lesbian butch woman when they do that. I dont' have a problem with anyone except those trying to erase the women lesbian butchs in this thread and the femmes that love them and their pussy's. My whole intent and purpose is for those that ID as lesbian butch women and femmes that love us and lesbian butch pussy to be talked about openly. NOT butch cock, that is a male termnology. This is not a male thread to discuss male things in. Anything referring to males should be put into another thread of their own. Thats how i see it. And it's upsetting to those of us that are lesbian woman identified butches that we are contstantly forced to talk about male things in our own threads made for us to comment in and share stories in. I don't go into their threads and post mysogynistic sexist statements about them and try to turn their threaad into a lesbian butch woman thread talking about lesbian butch pussy in a male oriented thread talking about butch cock. Thats how I see it. period. I haven't erased anyone. I have plainly asked that the posts here remain on topic that this is a lesbian butch pussy and lesbian femmes who love us thread and nothing more than that. It's not for male interjection and mysogony and sexist comments to come in here and post. It's very upsetting to me the OP that I have become erased by those comments. period.

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by Kenna

TruTexan...I mean no disrespect. My previous post took me too long on my new tablet then I had to try again...in the mean time you posted the above...Now I'm really confused. This is in the Butch Zone and now appears it belongs in the Lesbian Zone.

I am a non-stone Femme that would lavish in giving oral to my Butch or "Gay Female" as I note above, but I seriously do not feel like I belong in your "lesbian circle".

I placed this in in the butch zone because we are lesbian butches here. We ID as both and because we are butch and talking about butch pussy and the femmes that love us it belongs EXACTLY right here where i placed it. Period.
I am the OP and this is where I want the thread to belong because I believe it belongs here because we are talking about lesbianBUTCH PUSSY. Period.
If I had posted in the lesbian zone then someoen like you would probably disturb the flow here and say hey this doesn't belong in the lesbian zone because it's about lesbian BUTCH pussy and lesbian femmes that love us.
I hope you get this and understand it now. I wish not to discuss this matter. It's now a closed matter to me. Thank you.

[The_Lady_Snow]

You know what fucking irks me to the core? When people (general) deem "pussy" as gross, not valid, not ok to talk about... That's some woman hate and internal issues surrounding butch pusssy, vagina, cunt or pussy in general.

It irks me because when dick is being shoved down our proverbial throats via threads, posts, poems, erotica society no one says a god damn thing.


I'm glad that this pussy owning manifesto space is here, it's glorious, it's hot and it deserves to be discussed, appreciated, and lusted after, it's about time!


Isn't it odd how Femme pussy is dandy, no one ewwws that, oh wait sometimes we have when it's femme on femme, pussy is always eewwwed when convenient.

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

You know what fucking irks me to the core? When people (general) deem "pussy" as gross, not valid, not ok to talk about... That's some woman hate and internal issues surrounding butch pusssy, vagina, cunt or pussy in general.

It irks me because when dick is being shoved down our proverbial throats via threads, posts, poems, erotica no one says a god damn thing.


I'm glad that this pussy owning manifesto space is here, it's glorious, it's hot and it deserves to be discussed, appreciated, and lusted after, it's about time!

HUGE LOVE FOR YOU LADY SNOW.THANKS FOR BACK UP ON THIS ISSUE. I MUCH APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR OUTSTANDING COMMENT YOU HAVE MADE. IT IS ABOUT FUCKING TIME FOR THIS FRANK AND OPEN DISCUSSION ABOUT LESBIAN BUTCH PUSSY AND LESBIAN FEMMES WHO LOVE US. Thank you Lady Snow ((((hugs))) and KOTC*

Justy

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

I placed this in in the butch zone because we are lesbian butches here. We ID as both and because we are butch and talking about butch pussy and the femmes that love us it belongs EXACTLY right here where i placed it. Period.
I am the OP and this is where I want the thread to belong because I believe it belongs here because we are talking about lesbianBUTCH PUSSY. Period.
If I had posted in the lesbian zone then someoen like you would probably disturb the flow here and say hey this doesn't belong in the lesbian zone because it's about lesbian BUTCH pussy and lesbian femmes that love us.
I hope you get this and understand it now. I wish not to discuss this matter. It's now a closed matter to me. Thank you.

I meant no disrespect and kindly requested my tone be read as questioning and stated I was confused. Thank you for clarifying. My intent was never to disturb the flow. I stated I am a non-stone Femme that has loved her Butch Women.. You have clearly defined that I am not welcome in this conversation because I don't and my lovers don't identify as lesbian. Back in a little box I go...
Enjoy

[Kobi]

Kenna, you made a valid point. I did not see that the OP invited any id to weigh in on butch pussy. I concede that one.

When I see a title clearly saying lesbian femmes and lesbian butch pussy, it seems like a pretty simple thing to me. It is about women.

Just as you often feel misunderstood and invalidated as a femme, so do those of us who are lesbian butches. We are thrown in with various derivations of male even tho we proudly claim our femaleness and our female bodies. Can you imagine what it feels like to be told a butch is a butch is a butch....male, female, all the same. It sucks.

And, I too, was reluctant to post in this thread because when males invade a space meant for females (unless they want to talk about their pussies) it makes me uncomfortable. It feels very voyeuristic to me and it makes me feel violated both as a female and as a lesbian.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

You know what fucking irks me to the core? When people (general) deem "pussy" as gross, not valid, not ok to talk about... That's some woman hate and internal issues surrounding butch pusssy, vagina, cunt or pussy in general.

It irks me because when dick is being shoved down our proverbial throats via threads, posts, poems, erotica society no one says a god damn thing.


I'm glad that this pussy owning manifesto space is here, it's glorious, it's hot and it deserves to be discussed, appreciated, and lusted after, it's about time!


Isn't it odd how Femme pussy is dandy, no one ewwws that, oh wait sometimes we have when it's femme on femme, pussy is always eewwwed when convenient.

It also irks me to the core also (exactly how explained above). However, if the woman I am intimate with doesn't llike the term, I don't use it. I don't like the term used in reference to me because I've been called it to objectify me or my woman lovers. I can't disrespect my butch women lovers who don't want the term used for themselves. As for the "dick being shoved down..."...every time I read or hear such, it makes me want to puke...but no one wants to hear my calling them out or would even "hear me" as to why it isn't right in a Lesbian Butch thread or even a woman only thread,

I had several valid questions and stated I was confused. I wasn't looking to be made to feel even less welcome or less than.

I believe it is glorious to claim it and own it...as well as discuss with PRIDE.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by Kobi

Kenna, you made a valid point. I did not see that the OP invited any id to weigh in on butch pussy. I concede that one.

When I see a title clearly saying lesbian femmes and lesbian butch pussy, it seems like a pretty simple thing to me. It is about women.

Just as you often feel misunderstood and invalidated as a femme, so do those of us who are lesbian butches. We are thrown in with various derivations of male even tho we proudly claim our femaleness and our female bodies. Can you imagine what it feels like to be told a butch is a butch is a butch....male, female, all the same. It sucks.

And, I too, was reluctant to post in this thread because when males invade a space meant for females (unless they want to talk about their pussies) it makes me uncomfortable. It feels very voyeuristic to me and it makes me feel violated both as a female and as a lesbian.

Thank you very much and kindly, Kobi. I can certainly respect all that has been directed and clarified to me.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nat
I enjoy butch cunts way more than butch pussies

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jet

lol............


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I believe this is the invasion, and since it didn't get reported or asked to clarify, we may want to ask for clarification or about intent...


It's the only male entity I read in here, am I wrong?

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nat
I enjoy butch cunts way more than butch pussies

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Quote:

Originally posted by Jet

lol............


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I believe this is the invasion, and since it didn't get reported or asked to clarify, we may want to ask for clarification or about intent...


It's the only male entity I read in here, am I wrong?

Thank you. Now that I see the example, I do see that as an invasion. However -I shouldn't mention this in public, but so I may answer you directly - I can not report such because I have the quoted individual on ignore. I wasn't being complaicent , I had a valid reason for "not seeing" the invasion.

[Rolo]

Originally I loved the idea of this topic. Now it seems very unappealing. Everyone's offended or feels unaccepted... Watching this evolve has been unattractive to say the least. I'm new so I don't really know how all this works here at BFP but I saw a topic I could relate to so I posted. I read all the posts before posting and I kind of wished I didn't. I included the word cock because I noticed some had preffered this word... I have no expirence in that yet I was trying to be respectful.

It's hard to be exclusive when you have to be inclusive

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by Rolo

Originally I loved the idea of this topic. Now it seems very unappealing. Everyone's offended or feels unaccepted... Watching this evolve has been unattractive to say the least. I'm new so I don't really know how all this works here at BFP but I saw a topic I could relate to so I posted. I read all the posts before posting and I kind of wished I didn't. I included the word cock because I noticed some had preffered this word... I have no expirence in that yet I was trying to be respectful.

It's hard to be exclusive when you have to be inclusive

I sincerely apologize if my participation has made you feel this way. My intent was asking for clarification on how I fit in as Femme and how my women lovers fit in...and to get an understanding of how my participation would/might be offensive since I don't directly identify as lesbian (neither do any of my previous women lovers.) It wasn't until an example was given that I was aware of the incident where someone who identifies as male "changed the space".

[TruTexan]

Originally Posted by Kenna

I meant no disrespect and kindly requested my tone be read as questioning and stated I was confused. Thank you for clarifying. My intent was never to disturb the flow. I stated I am a non-stone Femme that has loved her Butch Women.. You have clearly defined that I am not welcome in this conversation because I don't and my lovers don't identify as lesbian. Back in a little box I go...
Enjoy

Kenna, you make a valid point. I am with kobi in that this is a thread about women period in the truest form.. I"m sorry if I misread you, it was not my intent. I want you to feel welcome here because you are a woman, even though you don't ID as a lesbian, but you are still a woman loving a woman. I was not trying to exclude you and I did do a fair job explaining all the things in my head that I wanted to say.
I hope this helps clarify more for you. This is women's space here and only for women, not for male or men. WE need our own space and it needs to be respected and not intervened with by those that make fun of or say mysogynystic and sexist things here, it's not fun to be erased, disrespected and the thread interrupted by them.

[Kenna]

Originally Posted by TruTexan

Kenna, you make a valid point. I am with kobi in that this is a thread about women period in the truest form.. I"m sorry if I misread you, it was not my intent. I want you to feel welcome here because you are a woman, even though you don't ID as a lesbian, but you are still a woman loving a woman. I was not trying to exclude you and I did do a fair job explaining all the things in my head that I wanted to say.
I hope this helps clarify more for you. This is women's space here and only for women, not for male or men. WE need our own space and it needs to be respected and not intervened with by those that make fun of or say mysogynystic and sexist things here, it's not fun to be erased, disrespected and the thread interrupted by them.

Thank you. I appreciate you and the space.

[Bad_boi]

I like it :P Sadly there are not too many butches I have met that are interested in FTM's. When I find them its a fun time. No matter what parts.

[C0LLETTE]

oyyyyy.. I don't think I can bear to read what's bound to come next. Maybe you should have read up into the thread first, Bad_boi.

[Rolo]

Originally Posted by Kenna

I sincerely apologize if my participation has made you feel this way. My intent was asking for clarification on how I fit in as Femme and how my women lovers fit in...and to get an understanding of how my participation would/might be offensive since I don't directly identify as lesbian (neither do any of my pervious women lovers.) It wasn't until an example was given that I was aware of the incident where someone who identifies as male "changed the space".

Oh it's not like that at all. I'm speaking on everything as a whole. No apology needed. You're free to speak your mind, and share your related expirence. I didn't make the thread, but I do enjoy butch pussy and wanted to add to the thread and read about other who do as well. There's not much of that going on

[Kobi]

Originally Posted by Bad_boi

I like it :P Sadly there are not too many butches I have met that are interested in FTM's. When I find them its a fun time. No matter what parts.

Bad Boi, we just spent 2 pages of posting to clarify this is a woman's space.

As you id as a transman, I'm presuming either you didn't read what is going on or you are asserting your male privilege to do as you please, regardless of what women say. That is sexism.

This is just freakin ridiculous.