Casey Anthony - guilty, or not?

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by guihong

I personally think she's going to get manslaughter, with a long, long sentence a la Diane Downs, with appeals and dragged out legal things up the wahoo.

Honestly? Sitting in jail like Diane Downs is better than letting her out. At least we know Diane Downs won't be making any more babies to kill. (Her words back in 1984 were: " it is so easy to make children").

[cinderella]

No shit!! I'd be insane if my child was missing for a nano-second - so how can Casey callously party for 31 days while her child is 'missing'? That's because Casey knew Caylee was NOT missing, but dead!! Good God! It boggles the mind how unbelievably macabre that is!!

Originally Posted by Peach

My son wandered off one day, I didnt notice him gone for about 10 minutes, and life stopped the second I realized he wasnt in the yard anymore. We found him, a lady had him by the hand and was knocking on doors asking if this was their kid! I almost threw up from fear. That was ovver 30 years ago, and it still makes me ill to think what may have been. No way would I have been out at a party, getting a tattoo, and lying about it. I would have had the National guard out looking for him!

[Medusa]

I'd go for a good long prison sentence. Something in the 75 year - Life range.

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by JustJo

It's a good question.

On a personal level, because of my history, I keep as much distance as possible from people who exhibit those behaviors (including family members).

On a societal level, I think we hold them responsible for their actions. Narcissism isn't an excuse for criminal or irresponsible or negligent or *fill in the blank* behavior.

It also isn't a crime in and of itself. Casey may be highly unlikable, but being unlikable isn't criminal. We can't judge her based on disliking her, but we can judge her actions.

True. But my point is that her behavior is what makes her so unlikeable by the public. It's one thing to just fess up and own what you did, but it's another to make up stories, blame other people and create nanny's that aren't there (and knows it). It's easy to say "oh, people just don't like her, so that's why they'll find her guilty", but um .... .. there IS a reason WHY people aren't liking her.

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by NJFemmie

Honestly? Sitting in jail like Diane Downs is better than letting her out. At least we know Diane Downs won't be making any more babies to kill. (Her words back in 1984 were: " it is so easy to make children").

That's what I meant. I hope she's locked up, nice and long. If she's acquitted or goes free on some technicality, I think I'll be sick to my stomach.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I have not followed the trial, I can't I recently just regained custody of my kid so reading here and learning the details makes my head swimmy and I want to literally puke. I would be devastated and would be a mad woman driving the police force nuts cause I would be there everyday asking them if they had found my child. Life would go on but I know I would have a gaping hole I'll be honest thinking about it makes me want to cry in desperation cause I can't imagine living it up and not knowing where one of my kids is/are, hell they are adults and I like for them to keep me informed of their plans. Living this far from them is hard so I just can't imagine how this woman could not have lost her mind when her baby was missing.

It's mind dusturbing... I also feel that her looks play into how she's viewed, she's a cute petite white "girl next door" so she plays to that, if this woman was different say looks, race, size, class we'd gave a whole different story but that's another thread.

[scootebaby]

The only thing i recall about the body getting to the woods is the fact that Casey borrowed the neighbor's shovel...did i miss testimony regarding the fact she took her to the wooded area? and the burying of the body--was it buried or did it end up covered and buried in mud bc of the fact the area was flooded for a period of time due to the heavy rains? Yes i know the implication is there,but was there anything to the actual act?

As a mother *I* cant imagine hurting a child in any way...but i consider myself somewhat empathetic,sympathetic,and normal whereas Casey is lacking in these and many other emotions/feelings that "normal" people have. Again i dont condone her actions,but we all seem to be looking at it as what *we* would do or not do, when in the broader spectrum this world is full of people that do/handle things differently,for a variety of reasons beyond our understanding--am i making sense?

I dont know about others,but i know for myself--and based on things i went thru as a child i have the ability to hide things well, to hide my emotions, to *forget* things that cause me pain,hurt,sorrow,disgust etc--not to an extreme extent,but i can to some extent all the same. My point is this--people are talking about Caseys actions during the 31 days--although the death of a child is extreme is it not possible that Casey was able to block that fact out...i mean she did spend at least 75% of the time drinking,partying--and we all know alcohol dulls the senses and allows us (or some of us) the ability to *forget*

[NJFemmie]

The shovel she borrowed from a neighbor was used to break into George Anthony's shed - where the gas cans and duct tape were being housed. Dirt on the shovel did not match the dirt where Caylee was found.

No one is sure how Caylee got to where she was found.

[NJFemmie]

Originally Posted by scootebaby

I dont know about others,but i know for myself--and based on things i went thru as a child i have the ability to hide things well, to hide my emotions, to *forget* things that cause me pain,hurt,sorrow,disgust etc--not to an extreme extent,but i can to some extent all the same. My point is this--people are talking about Caseys actions during the 31 days--although the death of a child is extreme is it not possible that Casey was able to block that fact out...i mean she did spend at least 75% of the time drinking,partying--and we all know alcohol dulls the senses and allows us (or some of us) the ability to *forget*

I suppose the question of the day is -- would any normal human being be able to block out the fact that their child has been missing and/or dead to THAT degree? No one in their right mind would party when their child is missing. Not even for a second. Most people would become alcoholic recluses, not party animals. At least that's my take on it.

My point here is that those actions alone imply that she is happy enough to party about it. How crazy is that?

[Scorp]

Bullshit, with all those facts so far, she's crazy like a fox. I don't buy any of it. She wants people to feel bad for her with the hopes of pleading insanity. Good thing I'm not on that jury, I'd already have her convicted.

I put her in the same boat as Pamela Smart, OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, Joran Van Der Sloot, Andrea Yates, and many others that I can't think of right now.

[Scorp]

I forgot to add that I'm tired of people making excuses for her!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH..GUILTY AS SIN!!!

Originally Posted by Scorp

Bullshit, with all those facts so far, she's crazy like a fox. I don't buy any of it. She wants people to feel bad for her with the hopes of pleading insanity. Good thing I'm not on that jury, I'd already have her convicted.

I put her in the same boat as Pamela Smart, OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, Joran Van Der Sloot, Andrea Yates, and many others that I can't think of right now.

[scootebaby]

Cinderella--i see your point,and i agree with you....again i am just looking at it from an aesthetic point of view.

and let me make this point very clear since its obviously not been made clear or overlooked in my prior posts. i do NOT condone her actions NOR am i making excuses for her...im taking the less traveled road AND im looking at it from the standpoint that the jurors are SUPPOSED to be looking at it. Are there circumstances that explain her actions? was it premeditated? was someone else involved? etc etc ETC!!!!!!


AGAIN..i DO think she is GUILTY OF THE DEATH OF HER DAUGHTER. i DO NOT condone her actions,from the very beginning. I am NOT making excuses for her in ANY WAY!!!


as a sidenote...insanity was never an option as far as i know!

[Semantics]

Originally Posted by Scorp

Bullshit, with all those facts so far, she's crazy like a fox. I don't buy any of it. She wants people to feel bad for her with the hopes of pleading insanity. Good thing I'm not on that jury, I'd already have her convicted.

I put her in the same boat as Pamela Smart, OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, Joran Van Der Sloot, Andrea Yates, and many others that I can't think of right now.

I just wanted to address the difference between Andrea Yates and the others you listed. Andrea Yates was suffering from postpartum psychosis well before she harmed her children. She had previously tried to kill herself because she knew that she might harm them. Despite repeated attempts by Andrea to convince her husband and her psychiatrist and her pastor that she was a danger to her children because she was suffering from a (diagnosed) psychotic condition, she was pressured by them all to go back to her life.

There's a huge difference between postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis. I don't think that her victimization comes anywhere near that of what happened to her poor children, but I also think that she was insane at the time, the people in her life knew she was insane and didn't help, and that she falls into a different category than the others.


I think Casey Anthony has tried to set up the stage for sympathy based on alleged past abuse and mental illness, but it was a failure.

[purepisces]

The verdict is in!

[Dante]

They have a verdict !!!!

[purepisces]

We will have at least a 30 minute wait before they go live.

[Medusa]

Holy crap - Ok, now I have to watch! I'm not usually one for televised court events but that was a quick verdict and Im curious as to how they found on each count

[scootebaby]

WOW!!!! less than 11 hrs.


thanks for the heads up you all...i had flipped the channel a few minutes ago!

[Scorp]

Side Bar: Semantics, you are correct regarding Andrea Yates, I will strike that and take her out of the mix with the others. Consider it removed. Thank you for clarifying the differences.

And, as far as a verdict, good, this should be interesting..

[purepisces]

In situations like this I've heard that a short deliberation often means a guilty verdict. However, to me, it seems like they would have given more consideration if they were going to recommend the death penalty.

I had wondered if there would be a hung jury, because in jury selection, juror 4 said that she did not feel that she could judge someone. But, she must have found a way, because it would take quite some time to admit that they couldn't come to a decision.

I feel strange right now. I've followed this case on HLN since right after Caylee was reported missing three years ago. I've dvr'd the trial and watched it every night (I know, I need to get a life). It is hard for me to separate all the things I've heard from the media over that time and the evidence that was actually presented in court.