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Old 06-23-2010, 05:25 PM   #21
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:laughing: Well hopefully you will refrain from chewing up the furniture when your baby is away. lol Separation anxiety is painful and can be expensive. - Jesse

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SNIP... I guess some of us are just harder with the seperation thing than others huh. I did the same when my oldest went to kindergarden the first day, I hung out in the hall and finally the teacher asked me to leave. I guess I've always had these issues. LOL.

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Princess have the surgery. My little one she is 2 years old had her spay at like 6 months old and she was fine, had pain meds and everything. I know that it will be hard but you have to be strong for the furbaby. I have two dogs and I love them to death. I would do anything for them!! I will keep you in my prayers as well as your little one
Lipstixgal, thank you for your words of encouragement. I will do whatever i have to do for her. That is my number one priority no matter how many life years it takes from her momma. lol. Thanks for keeping us in your prayers....
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I am sorry to hear that your pup needs this surgery, but I will tell you from past experience, its well worth it.

I had a chow/collie mix who suffered from the same thing and it was just miserable for him until the surgery.

Recovery was really minimal, albeit he was a much larger/older pup than yours. The only one issue I can remember was the halo knocking about the house.

Best to you - I am sure she will be fine.
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I am sorry to hear that your pup needs this surgery, but I will tell you from past experience, its well worth it.

I had a chow/collie mix who suffered from the same thing and it was just miserable for him until the surgery.

Recovery was really minimal, albeit he was a much larger/older pup than yours. The only one issue I can remember was the halo knocking about the house.

Best to you - I am sure she will be fine.
Christie, thank you so much for the information. So, wow, your baby had the same thing? I've never heard of any other dogs having this. It is so nice of you to let me know that. Makes me truely feel like she's gonna be ok. Did your baby have to stay in the hospital 4-5 days too?

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:laughing: Well hopefully you will refrain from chewing up the furniture when your baby is away. lol Separation anxiety is painful and can be expensive. - Jesse
Very very true. I'm imaginning that her chew toys will come in handy while she is away. LOL.
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princessbelle,

I do understand your concerns. Keep in mind that puppies are incredibly resilient. Remind yourself you are doing what is best for her.

Keep us posted on how she is doing ... and try to stay away from her chewy toys! *grin*

Prayers to the Good Spirit for both of you.
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I do understand your concerns. Keep in mind that puppies are incredibly resilient. Remind yourself you are doing what is best for her.

Keep us posted on how she is doing ... and try to stay away from her chewy toys! *grin*

Prayers to the Good Spirit for both of you.
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Brock, your words profide me much comfort. I like to the idea they are resilient. You are right. I have to remind myself she is a puppy. Gosh I just love her so much. Maybe I'll just buy myself some animal crackers and wait to get my manicure that week until AFTER she comes home.

Thank you so much.
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[QUOTE=princessbelle;136818]My bella is 5 months old and she is a shih tzu. She has what is called Distichia which means she has tiny hairs growing out of her eyelid margin that are rubbing her cornea. She has had one ulcer already that has healed and the specialist today told me she needs surgery so that she don't get another ulcer and possibly go blind.

hi

i'm sympathetic to your concerns with a small animal undergoing surgical procedures, as i live with guinea pigs, who do require very specific anesthesia and medication therapy. if it helps you just a little bit to know-both of my pigs, weighing in at three pounds each, successfully had lipomas removed [which were growing very large, and these are commonly found to be benign tumours on gpigs]. exotic pets like lagophthalmos / rabbits are known for this eyelid abnormality, and many of their humans help relieve the damage/further damage - as you have described already with ulceration of cornea. the eye of a rabbit can actually rupture if not treated. [once, i had an abrasion on the cornea, and the pain level, and sensitivity to light was beyond incredible].

i think the file i'm going to attach provides in-depth information about the condition as well as the procedure, especially in the situation of existing ulcers:

http://wvc.omnibooksonline.com/data/.../2010_V214.pdf



Ok course I will do anything for her. She is my baby. I'm terrified though, more than that, I simply am beside myself with worry.

Number one she is so little and to be put "under" this young is terrifying.

Number two, the vet hospital told me that she will be there from Monday night (surgery is early Tuesday morning) until possibly Friday or maybe Thursday. OMG we have not been apart more than a few hours when i work.

I'm so afraid she will be so scared and spending all of those nights alone, in a cage just is ripping my heart out. It is a teaching hospital however and told me that there is someone there 24 7, which is a little comforting.

these feelings, while understandable, are putting your needs before hers- and the eyes are nothing to fool around with time-wise. i do not like to clear out bum impactions on a guinea pig, or have them fearful of me/my hands- but it's a matter of life or death. dogs are forgiving, and do not 'rationalise' it all the way our brains work. they go in, have the surgery, get a bit spoiled at the vet hospital, come home, and it's even more of a positive experience

not to minimise your thoughts/feelings


Questions....

Has anyone's animals had this before? The procedure is called electroepilation.

Has anyone had a baby that young, five months, had surgery before? They said she is too little to have the IV sedation and has to have gas...

i've seen it and i've known of people having the same surgical procedure, and yes to the age / size / breed as well. all across the board species/breeds.

When your babies have had surgery and were there more than overnight. Did you visit them? They said i could but then a friend mentioned that that may be harder on her if she sees me and then i go away again? I don't know. I'm just bawling my eyes out and I guess need some info and support, white light, prayer, whatever it is you can throw my way.

totally up to you! maybe try not to make a huge dealio with greetings or departures- the latter will have her keyed up for longer when you leave. mild tone, body language works best = calming. the exaggerated / high pitched voice and unnatural body language will get her too excited.



The surgery will be toward the end of July. Thanks in advance....
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Belle, your concerns are valid... She will be okay and the surgery will only help her... Did you ask the vet about having her spayed while she is under? Do it all in one fell swoop... less stress for the both of you... Good luck my friend...
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I've had 2 dogs that have had this surgery,one of them twice rgwy both were fine, It's like a lid lift women have done at a plastic surgeons. The operation isn't really agressive, and the reason they is to ward off infection and if they have stitches they don't have the opportunity to dig them out withere little paws.I worked for a vet for awhile (6 yrs.) and alot of vets use infant anesthesia which works quite. The cornea can be damaged fairly quickly so I get it done soon.It's really not a complicated surgery,I've seen it done several times and two of those times it was my dog, he was fine. If you have any questions feel free to PM me and I'll try to answer your questions.. My dogs were small as while and one was under a year as well...It'll be fine..The reference about having Bella spayed at the same time is a really good idea then she only has to undergo surgery one time..

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Gabriella, I am so glad you came and posted your experience with this type of surgery to princessbelle. Now even I feel comforted about it too.

I had a little red and white mutt I had to euthanize last August. She was sixteen and a half years old and there at the very end, she developed a back problem. I could not put her through major back surgery at her age. Also, there would not have been any quality of life for her if I had doped her on pain pills. Even though I know in my heart I did the right thing for her, I grieved so much over losing my little Hannah. I thought I would surely die. It is very upsetting for one of our critters to have a medical problem.
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Christie, thank you so much for the information. So, wow, your baby had the same thing? I've never heard of any other dogs having this. It is so nice of you to let me know that. Makes me truely feel like she's gonna be ok. Did your baby have to stay in the hospital 4-5 days too?

Thank you so much!!!!
Belle -

As best I can remember, it was about 3 days before Lucky could come home. This was over 10 years ago and after the surgery (I had both eyes done) he never had another issue.

As with human medicine, I am sure that animal medicine has also made leaps and bounds in treatment and it sounds as if your baby is in good hands.

We have been reading Cesar Milan's books and applying his techniques and philosophies to our schnauzers (two Giants and two minis). I mention this because its so important to remember that dogs pick up on our energies. Try to keep a calm energy with Bella as you take her in for surgery so that she doesn't feel your anxiety. You might be surprised (as we were) in just how true the theory can be.

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I am astonished, humbled, thankful and honestly shocked at all of the responses to my thread. I am so thrilled at all of the responses to my problem and those of you that have come to offer comfort, information, support has just blown me away. You all rock!!! It means the world to me and omg has helped me so much. I am going to keep this thread going and continue to bring updates and more information until the day comes. Please feel free to ask questions to the ones that post here if there are problems with your animals and you need advice. Great information and support is all we need to get what we need to make good decisions.

Violaine.....I know now why some of my friends referred me to you. Your information is awesome. I can't thank you enough. Thanks for the link and the candid responses to my post. You have helped ease the pain and it gives me much needed strength to go through with this. I want what is best for Bella, no doubt and I am somehow going to get through this. Hugs...

Kim, my friend, you are amazing to me. I had not thought of getting her "fixed" at the same time. I'm going to call them this morning and ask. What a great idea. Thank you so much hon.

Gabriella...wow you've had two dogs had this done? Amazing!!!! Yes, what you say makes sense about keeping them to ward off infection. You have given me so much comfort. Thank you!!!

Brock, my heart goes out to you for the loss of your Hannah. Nothing hurts like loosing your best friend. ((((((((Brock))))))) It is so hard to make decisions on precious little animals that totally depend on us to make the right decisions. It is so hard knowing the decisions are what is best for our babies and not for ourselves. I admire you...you did the right thing.

Christie, you bring up a great point. I WILL try to be calm and upbeat for her and just continue to show her unconditional love as she has given to me. Thank you hon.
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I'm happy I could share information that helped make you more comfortable
with the procedure..As I stated if you have any ? that I can help with feel free to get in touch..Also I feel I should apologize about the absolutely horrid spelling and the left out words on my post, when I reread it today I was mortified, I realized I must never type again late at night when I'm sleepy, I felt like I'd wasted all that money for that college education..
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with the procedure..As I stated if you have any ? that I can help with feel free to get in touch..Also I feel I should apologize about the absolutely horrid spelling and the left out words on my post, when I reread it today I was mortified, I realized I must never type again late at night when I'm sleepy, I felt like I'd wasted all that money for that college education..
You were fine. We all have our off days for sure. Thanks again for your information and support, it is so very sweet and very much needed.
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Hi Princessbelle,

Well, it looks as though you aren't short on love and support for little Bella - folks around here, we LOVE our animals. Totally random tidbit, but I worked as a vet tech for ten years, and my boss said on more than one occasion that his "favorite group" of clients is his gay clients, because as a group we take such good care of our babies. Now, back to your questions.

I know as Bella's mom that you're going to be worried no matter what anyone hear says, but hopefully our reassurance can go a long way toward keeping you at least somewhat sane. The procedure is extremely common. Over the course of ten years I probably assisted in dozens of cases. Several have mentioned the importance of not delaying on eye issues and that is definitely true - eyes can go badly quickly - so you're right in getting it done. I suspect I know which teaching hospital will be taking care of little Bella, and we sent cases there that were fairly complex. She will get excellent care there.

As for her age, 5 months is plenty old for surgery. Someone (can't remember who) mentioned maybe getting her spayed at the same time which is a good idea. It'll probably be more expensive there, but will save her a second anesthesia which makes it well worth it. But if they've already got her under...

Putting her under with gas anesthesia is just as safe as with an injectable, so no need to worry about that. When we had animals hospitalized for a period of time it was really common for their parents to come for visits. They generally tolerate it well. Most of the time they'd get just a tad upset when the owners left but nothing extreme. I imagine the vet will tell you after the first visit if it is too much for her. In this case, I think it is very appropriate to visit, even if it is mostly for your benefit, assuming the pet handles it well. One thing clients often did was bring a t-shirt or something with their smell on it, thinking that it may provide some comfort. Who knows if it does, but it certainly doesn't hurt anything. I imagine most hospitals allow this.

Obviously she has lots of folks rooting for her. Keep us posted. Bella sounds like a very loved (and probably spoiled)



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My bella is 5 months old and she is a shih tzu. She has what is called Distichia which means she has tiny hairs growing out of her eyelid margin that are rubbing her cornea. She has had one ulcer already that has healed and the specialist today told me she needs surgery so that she don't get another ulcer and possibly go blind.

Ok course I will do anything for her. She is my baby. I'm terrified though, more than that, I simply am beside myself with worry.

Number one she is so little and to be put "under" this young is terrifying.

Number two, the vet hospital told me that she will be there from Monday night (surgery is early Tuesday morning) until possibly Friday or maybe Thursday. OMG we have not been apart more than a few hours when i work.

I'm so afraid she will be so scared and spending all of those nights alone, in a cage just is ripping my heart out. It is a teaching hospital however and told me that there is someone there 24 7, which is a little comforting.

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Has anyone's animals had this before? The procedure is called electroepilation.

Has anyone had a baby that young, five months, had surgery before? They said she is too little to have the IV sedation and has to have gas...

When your babies have had surgery and were there more than overnight. Did you visit them? They said i could but then a friend mentioned that that may be harder on her if she sees me and then i go away again? I don't know. I'm just bawling my eyes out and I guess need some info and support, white light, prayer, whatever it is you can throw my way.

The surgery will be toward the end of July. Thanks in advance....
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we had a collie mix that had glaucoma and eventually lost both her eyes. She didn't lose any of her spirit though and often people didn't know she was blind until we told them.

Also she had an awful fright of cages. We voiced this to the vet and when ever she was there they never put her in a cage .. just put her on a leash and let her lie on the floor. Then of course everyone would give her some love as they passed by.

I bring that up to say if you have concerns voice them to the vet I'm sure they will know the best way to accomodate the situation.

sorry your baby is going through this. I definitely know it's hard.
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Not to worry you further but I would check (now) to see if all of her immunizations are up to date - ie. kennel cough and distemper. I adopted Scooby at the humane society and he came home with kennel cough. With her being so young and having to have surgery plus having to stay there for five days I wouldn't want her immune system to be comprimised with an infection.

I would guess that she has to stay there for a week because she'll have to wear one of those halo guards. I would certainly go and visit, although I would go in calm and cool, like no worries because dogs do pick up on our energy. I have no doubt she will be thrilled to see you and for a little bit she will be with her person.

The vet schools are really good at taking care of animals and while it is scary to put your beloved pet under, she will come out healthy and well from this. Have some faith, visit her and keep us updated on her progress!

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Are you getting her fixed at the same time? Something I do for all my furkids is to leave with them one of their soft toys, and a blanket of theirs. It is just some comfort to them.

When Dino was so sick the last time, I was at the vet hospital with him from 8am to 9pm. I sat on a rolling chair in front of his cage, and talked to him. We both slept together, and my vet and all the techs were shocked with this. I don't think they realized how attached we are. It just really helped both Dino and myself.

Afterwards I sent the staff a fruit basket. And I gave the night nurse a tea pot she wanted from a local coffee/tea shop in town. She would rock and sing lulabies to Dino after I left. A previous patient donated a rocking chair to the vet hospital. The night nurse rocks the small animals when they are afraid, or just needing to have a mommy or daddy around. She fills that role beautifully.
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