General Political Discussion

[C0LLETTE]

The Mueller report hasn't been released to Congress and the public yet and it is so sad ( and disgusting ) to see all those Democratic "talking heads" already backing up and saying "oh well there are still other ongoing investigations" and babbling on about Justice Department policy. "So be prepared to lose, folks." On the other hand, Trump never prepares his base to lose.

If Trump's victory in 2016, and events since, should have taught Democrats anything, it should be: never give up, never back up, and don't think that the voting public understands or cares about details in the weeds.

Demagogues just don't screw around.

So now we'll see which form of victory, Trump chooses. The report isn't out yet but I suspect he is preparing for victory and the Democrats are preparing for loss. We'll see.

[C0LLETTE]

I believe that the USA, Canada, the West, Europe are sliding ever faster into the slime pit of Fascism... the natural comfort zone of the majority of their populations ( possibly all human populations ).

Doesn't mean the minority ( minorities ) have to give up but they sure as Hell better find some better leaders soon...and if those "leaders" can only come from established well-funded political parties you may as well start ironing your brown/black shirts and swastika arm bands now.

The "Fascist Impulse" doesn't play by polite political rules or respond to religious expressions of decency and prayers. It isn't wishy-washy, apologetic or soul-searching. The Fascist heart wants what it wants.

I keep seeing these expressions of appeal to people's "better angels". Ok, take a photo of one and send it to me and I'll send you photos of millions of human beings slaughtered by their fellow human beings.

Humans are not basically "suicidal " creatures. They are, more likely, deep- buried "Me Firsters" that will leave the footprints of their boots on your drowning head as the over-crowded ferry starts to sink.

[Martina]

Mueller said from the beginning that he would not indict Trump. There could easily be criminal offenses committed by Trump documented in the report.

It does seem to let other Trump family members off the hook.

I really don't care. The point is to elect a Democrat as President. People who support Trump are the lowest form of pond scum in America. They have to live with themselves. Again, I just don't give a shit.

[charley]

Like everyone else, I was waiting for the release of Mueller's report, and it took @ 675 days for him to complete it. And, now, we may never know exactly what was in it - unless, of course, someone leaks it. It's almost funny, if it wasn't so tragic.

I thought about it, and thought that one of the longest pregnancies is that the elephant - 640 to 660 days, but at least with the elephant, we get to see a cute little baby elephant. This birth is something that the elephant never forgets.

At least, in nature, we get to see creation and birth in action. It almost seems that men try to do the same thing: create and give birth, but they all seem to fail miserably, and they hope everyone forgets what they do (or fail to do).

[C0LLETTE]

Maybe I missed it but when have men given birth? And HTF does anyone know what's in the memory of an elephant except what one conveniently expects to be there for a purpose other than maternal instinct ( whatever that is ) and the sniff test.

Based on my own experience, there is a great deal of difference between "fertilizing" ( adequately or not ) and "birthing".

Then there's the theoretical blah blah based on I'm not sure what but it sure has nothing with "the birthing". If I had "the birthing' burned into my memory, I never would have had another.

[Martina]

Well that's that. It's come to nothing. No collusion, according to Mueller. No obstruction, according to Barr.

No big surprise. Congress will never get to see the full report. Hopefully, the state of New York will indict Trump on obstruction once he leaves office.