Native American Spirituality - Page 6

The_Lady_Snow · 02-26-2010, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.

Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?

I am not Native American, but I can say this..

Humans do that, we all fight amongst our own. Hell Andrew look around this site or any other site..

So I say human nature yes?

Liam · 02-26-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.

Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?

Its not just Hollywood, Andrew, Native Americans fought Native Americans. They took prisoners and some were enslaved and others were adopted. Yes, some Native Americans had slaves. Why did they do it? I think Snowy nailed it, its human nature.

Andrew, Jr. · 02-26-2010, 03:38 PM

Snowy and Liam,

You both are right. I never thought of it that way before. But yes.

alex k · 02-26-2010, 03:46 PM

hoorah for human nature! Cos even when everyone else is against us and we should be banding together we will find a way to divide ourselves and eliminate the weakest

TIMBERWOLF · 02-26-2010, 04:04 PM

Wild and Free
In my heart I am Indian,Wild and Free
But in this world,it was not meant to be.
Sun father,Moon Woman,Earth Mother,
Guiding me through my day
But somehow,In this world I loss my way
Great Spirit, far and wide,
Please come to me and be my guide,
take me as your daughter and you'll be proud of me
And then I shall become an Indian on the wind that's
Wild and Free
Where for me happiness shall always be.

Author Unknown

TIMBERWOLF · 02-26-2010, 04:23 PM

Do not grieve. Misfortunes will happen to the wisest and best of men. Death will come, always out of season. It is the command of the Great Spirit, and all nations and people must obey. What is past and what cannot be prevented should not be grieved for ... Misfortunes do not flourish particularly in our lives - they grow everywhere.
Big Elk - Omaha Chief

Spirit Dancer · 02-26-2010, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommi

YouTube- Havasupai Indian Waterfall Relaxation Video

Today I needed this thank you my friend

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr.

Today I was watching a Native American show on TV. I don't understand why the Indians would fight amongst themselves. That truely baffles me. And then they would take in "white men" as their own.
My family still fights amongst themselves Andrew, it's human nature and personalities they do clash.

Can someone explain this to me? Was this true to life or just Hollywood?

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

I am not Native American, but I can say this..

Humans do that, we all fight amongst our own. Hell Andrew look around this site or any other site..

So I say human nature yes?

Thank you

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Originally Posted by Liam

Its not just Hollywood, Andrew, Native Americans fought Native Americans. They took prisoners and some were enslaved and others were adopted. Yes, some Native Americans had slaves. Why did they do it? I think Snowy nailed it, its human nature.

Liam glad to see you and thank you too.

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Originally Posted by TIMBERWOLF

Wild and Free
In my heart I am Indian,Wild and Free
But in this world,it was not meant to be.
Sun father,Moon Woman,Earth Mother,
Guiding me through my day
But somehow,In this world I loss my way
Great Spirit, far and wide,
Please come to me and be my guide,
take me as your daughter and you'll be proud of me
And then I shall become an Indian on the wind that's
Wild and Free
Where for me happiness shall always be.

Author Unknown

Timber, this was quite beautiful, I thank you my friend and look forward to a sweat soon.

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Originally Posted by TIMBERWOLF

Do not grieve. Misfortunes will happen to the wisest and best of men. Death will come, always out of season. It is the command of the Great Spirit, and all nations and people must obey. What is past and what cannot be prevented should not be grieved for ... Misfortunes do not flourish particularly in our lives - they grow everywhere.
Big Elk - Omaha Chief

Thanks for sharing this quote.

Spirit Dancer · 02-26-2010, 10:14 PM

"The Great Spirit is the one that's looking after us."
--Jimmy Jackson, OJIBWAY
The only place our minds can find peace is when our focus is on the Creator. Daily we need to ask the Creator to direct our thinking. When we look at our brothers and sisters, we need to see the Creator in them. When we look at the trees, plants and the animals, we need to realize the Creator is within us. Our attention needs to be on the Creator. When we work, we do it for the Creator. When we are troubled, we need to pray to the Creator. When we are happy and joyful, we need to realize we are feeling the presence of the Creator. Thinking God thoughts will produce peace.

Oh Great Mystery, let me focus on You today.

Spirit Dancer · 02-26-2010, 10:20 PM

My face is a mask I order to say nothing
About the fragile feelings hiding in my soul.

-Glenn Lazore (Mohawk)

violaine · 02-27-2010, 03:32 PM

if you do not understand your friend under all conditions you will never understand him-

how narrow is the vision that exhalts the busyness of the ant above the singing of the grasshopper

sand and foam
kahlil gibran

TROOPER · 02-27-2010, 07:52 PM

Wakan Tanka, Great Mystery,
teach me how to trust my heart, my mind, my intuition,
my inner knowing, the senses of my body, the blessings of my spirit.
Teach me to trust these things so that I may enter my Sacred Space
and love beyond my fear, and thus Walk in Balance
with the passing of each glorious Sun.

~ Lakota Prayer ~

TROOPER · 02-27-2010, 08:18 PM

Peace and happiness
are available in every moment
Peace in every step
We shall walk hand in hand
There are no political solutions to spiritual problems
If the Creator put it there, it is in the right place.

~~The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears ~~

TROOPER · 02-27-2010, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by violaine

if you do not understand your friend under all conditions you will never understand him-

how narrow is the vision that exhalts the busyness of the ant above the singing of the grasshopper

sand and foam
kahlil gibran

Tell me and I'll forget
Show me, and I may not remember
Involve me, and I'll understand

~~Tribe Unknown~~

Spirit Dancer · 02-28-2010, 02:49 AM

"The Old Ones have always said that no matter who despises or ignores you, no matter who keeps you from entering their circles, it is right to pray for them because the are like us, too."

--Larry P. Aitken, CHIPPEWA

You don't know how an apple tastes until you taste it. You don't know what a fish tastes like until you eat it. You don't know how it is to be a woman unless you are one. You don't know what it means to have a baby until you have one. So it is with the natural laws. An example: the natural law of forgiveness says, if you hate someone, pray for the person to be blessed with happiness, joy and all the blessings of the Great Spirit. You will not know about this law unless you do it. The natural law says love others as you love yourself. If you hate yourself or feel guilt in some area of yourself, you will tend to judge and condemn your neighbor. You cannot give away what you don't have. You teach your children by your example, not by your words. The natural laws are written in our hearts.

Great Spirit, teach me how to look into my heart

Spirit Dancer · 02-28-2010, 04:07 PM

"Ultimately, nature will do the teaching."
--Tom Porter, MOHAWK
There are things man has control over, and there are things man does not have control over. No matter how smart we get, whether it be in technology or science, there are things we will never control. The Great Spirit carefully protected and hid the control over certain things in the Unseen World. There are forces in the Unseen World that make sure humans don't mess things up. The bottom line is, no matter what we do, nature will have the last say. Nature is the teacher, we are the students. May we honor and respect our teacher.

Great Spirit, today, help me to live in harmony with people, principles, and life.

Spirit Dancer · 03-01-2010, 08:14 AM

"The beginning is purification, that's the first step. And purification means purification of body and mind. You don't purify the body without cleansing the mind; that's the way it works."
--Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE
If we have bad thoughts or poison in our minds, they will eventually show up in our bodies in the form of headaches, pains, and stomach problems. It works this way because we are interconnected. Our minds and our bodies are one system. So when we start to grow, or commit to the Red Road, we need to start cleaning up our thoughts and start showing respect for our bodies. We start purifying our minds by prayer and meditation, and we start cleansing our bodies by getting the right amount of sleep and developing good eating habits. Today, I'm going to observe my thoughts. Will my thoughts be clean today?

Great Spirit, let me focus on Your love today so my mind will be pure.

Spirit Dancer · 03-01-2010, 08:17 AM

Don't be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts.
Native American Proverb

Spirit Dancer · 03-01-2010, 08:18 AM

Friendship between two persons depends upon the patience of one.
Native American Proverb

Liquefaction · 03-01-2010, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TROOPER

Tell me and I'll forget
Show me, and I may not remember
Involve me, and I'll understand

~~Tribe Unknown~~

This is so true for me!!! Thank you!

Liquefaction · 03-01-2010, 09:17 AM

I just want to tell all of you that I really enjoy this thread! There is a lot of wisdom in these words.

Some years ago(10+) I started to read about Native American Spirituality and went to see a shaman. It changed the way I saw the world, into a more positive/understanding light.

Thank you all for reminding me of the power of this knowledge!

02-26-2010, 04:04 PM	#105
TIMBERWOLF Member How Do You Identify?: Old Butch Preferred Pronoun?: Lesbian Butch so that would be she, but I come to just about anything S Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: FL Posts: 384 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 218 Thanked 591 Times in 212 Posts Rep Power: 4807544	to my sister......Spirit Dancer Wild and Free In my heart I am Indian,Wild and Free But in this world,it was not meant to be. Sun father,Moon Woman,Earth Mother, Guiding me through my day But somehow,In this world I loss my way Great Spirit, far and wide, Please come to me and be my guide, take me as your daughter and you'll be proud of me And then I shall become an Indian on the wind that's Wild and Free Where for me happiness shall always be. Author Unknown

02-26-2010, 10:14 PM	#108
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	"The Great Spirit is the one that's looking after us." --Jimmy Jackson, OJIBWAY The only place our minds can find peace is when our focus is on the Creator. Daily we need to ask the Creator to direct our thinking. When we look at our brothers and sisters, we need to see the Creator in them. When we look at the trees, plants and the animals, we need to realize the Creator is within us. Our attention needs to be on the Creator. When we work, we do it for the Creator. When we are troubled, we need to pray to the Creator. When we are happy and joyful, we need to realize we are feeling the presence of the Creator. Thinking God thoughts will produce peace. Oh Great Mystery, let me focus on You today. __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

02-26-2010, 10:20 PM	#109
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	late my friend, but the thought is there My face is a mask I order to say nothing About the fragile feelings hiding in my soul. -Glenn Lazore (Mohawk) __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

02-27-2010, 03:32 PM	#110
violaine Timed Out How Do You Identify?: atypical Preferred Pronoun?: plague words and phrases Relationship Status: love wise guys of the avian world Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: wekiva springs basin Posts: 3,236 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,934 Thanked 3,294 Times in 1,301 Posts Rep Power: 0	meditative- if you do not understand your friend under all conditions you will never understand him- how narrow is the vision that exhalts the busyness of the ant above the singing of the grasshopper sand and foam kahlil gibran

02-28-2010, 02:49 AM	#114
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	"The Old Ones have always said that no matter who despises or ignores you, no matter who keeps you from entering their circles, it is right to pray for them because the are like us, too." --Larry P. Aitken, CHIPPEWA You don't know how an apple tastes until you taste it. You don't know what a fish tastes like until you eat it. You don't know how it is to be a woman unless you are one. You don't know what it means to have a baby until you have one. So it is with the natural laws. An example: the natural law of forgiveness says, if you hate someone, pray for the person to be blessed with happiness, joy and all the blessings of the Great Spirit. You will not know about this law unless you do it. The natural law says love others as you love yourself. If you hate yourself or feel guilt in some area of yourself, you will tend to judge and condemn your neighbor. You cannot give away what you don't have. You teach your children by your example, not by your words. The natural laws are written in our hearts. Great Spirit, teach me how to look into my heart __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

02-26-2010, 03:38 PM	#103
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02-26-2010, 03:46 PM	#104
alex k Junior Member How Do You Identify?: trans male Preferred Pronoun?: anything other than she Relationship Status: well and truly caught Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: uk Posts: 15 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 12 Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts Rep Power: 15	hoorah for human nature! Cos even when everyone else is against us and we should be banding together we will find a way to divide ourselves and eliminate the weakest

02-26-2010, 04:23 PM	#106
TIMBERWOLF Member How Do You Identify?: Old Butch Preferred Pronoun?: Lesbian Butch so that would be she, but I come to just about anything S Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: FL Posts: 384 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 218 Thanked 591 Times in 212 Posts Rep Power: 4807544	Do not grieve. Misfortunes will happen to the wisest and best of men. Death will come, always out of season. It is the command of the Great Spirit, and all nations and people must obey. What is past and what cannot be prevented should not be grieved for ... Misfortunes do not flourish particularly in our lives - they grow everywhere. Big Elk - Omaha Chief

02-27-2010, 07:52 PM	#111
TROOPER Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Permanently Banned 09/11/2010 Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 304 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 506 Thanked 191 Times in 138 Posts Rep Power: 0	Wakan Tanka, Great Mystery, teach me how to trust my heart, my mind, my intuition, my inner knowing, the senses of my body, the blessings of my spirit. Teach me to trust these things so that I may enter my Sacred Space and love beyond my fear, and thus Walk in Balance with the passing of each glorious Sun. ~ Lakota Prayer ~

02-27-2010, 08:18 PM	#112
TROOPER Timed Out How Do You Identify?: Permanently Banned 09/11/2010 Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 304 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 506 Thanked 191 Times in 138 Posts Rep Power: 0	Peace and happiness are available in every moment Peace in every step We shall walk hand in hand There are no political solutions to spiritual problems If the Creator put it there, it is in the right place. ~~The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears ~~

02-28-2010, 04:07 PM	#115
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	"Ultimately, nature will do the teaching." --Tom Porter, MOHAWK There are things man has control over, and there are things man does not have control over. No matter how smart we get, whether it be in technology or science, there are things we will never control. The Great Spirit carefully protected and hid the control over certain things in the Unseen World. There are forces in the Unseen World that make sure humans don't mess things up. The bottom line is, no matter what we do, nature will have the last say. Nature is the teacher, we are the students. May we honor and respect our teacher. Great Spirit, today, help me to live in harmony with people, principles, and life. __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

03-01-2010, 08:14 AM	#116
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	"The beginning is purification, that's the first step. And purification means purification of body and mind. You don't purify the body without cleansing the mind; that's the way it works." --Rolling Thunder, CHEROKEE If we have bad thoughts or poison in our minds, they will eventually show up in our bodies in the form of headaches, pains, and stomach problems. It works this way because we are interconnected. Our minds and our bodies are one system. So when we start to grow, or commit to the Red Road, we need to start cleaning up our thoughts and start showing respect for our bodies. We start purifying our minds by prayer and meditation, and we start cleansing our bodies by getting the right amount of sleep and developing good eating habits. Today, I'm going to observe my thoughts. Will my thoughts be clean today? Great Spirit, let me focus on Your love today so my mind will be pure. __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

03-01-2010, 08:17 AM	#117
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Don't be afraid to cry. It will free your mind of sorrowful thoughts. Native American Proverb __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

03-01-2010, 08:18 AM	#118
Spirit Dancer Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Complex but Tender Preferred Pronoun?: ~Ma`am~ Relationship Status: Shotgun Rider Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Following the red road Posts: 4,519 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 9,304 Thanked 12,951 Times in 3,466 Posts Rep Power: 21474855	Friendship between two persons depends upon the patience of one. Native American Proverb __________________ “For it was not into my ear you whispered, but into my heart. It was not my lips you kissed, but my soul.” Judy Garland

03-01-2010, 09:17 AM	#120
Liquefaction Member How Do You Identify?: Femme with a dash of tomboy. Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 101 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 126 Thanked 81 Times in 28 Posts Rep Power: 3592	I just want to tell all of you that I really enjoy this thread! There is a lot of wisdom in these words. Some years ago(10+) I started to read about Native American Spirituality and went to see a shaman. It changed the way I saw the world, into a more positive/understanding light. Thank you all for reminding me of the power of this knowledge!