Backscatter

[tuffboi29]

I've got one word for this all.....AMTRAK.....wait..no...two words....BOAT...
Never will I fly let alone be subjected to this horrible abuse of 'athority'.

[Rockinonahigh]

Dean Thoreau..U r right bout the humor,after I read you post I laughd a bit and thought why the hell not.

[Dean Thoreau]

The Airport Solution

Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners at the
airports.

Have a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will
detonate any explosive device you may have on you.

It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap
about racial profiling and this method would eliminate a long and expensive
trial. Justice would be swift and efficient. Case closed!

This is so simple that it's brilliant. I can see it now: you're in the
airport terminal and you hear a muffled explosion.
Shortly thereafter an announcement comes over the PA system, "Attention
standby passengers we now have a seat available on flight number..."

[Nat]

John T: I don't understand how a sexual assault could be made a condition of my flying.
TSA Lady: This is not considered a sexual assault.
John T: It would be if you weren't the government.

[RockOn]

The prices we pay in this world in which we live.

When I fly, I follow the rules. No way around it. Follow rules or stay on the ground.

Someone mentioned it is optional. I say needs to be mandatory that everyone must have the scan or no one gets scanned.

Perhaps I am missing something here but what purpose does "optional" serve?

[DomnNC]

I too get the lil visit to the glass room and the pat downs because I set the scanners off everytime I go thru. It matters not that you carry a card from your surgeon stating you are a medical implant patient, lol. However, I'm all for anything that will guarantee the safety of the passengers aboard a plane to make sure there are safe arrivals and departures. Like someone said, it's a privlige to fly and there's always going to be some necessary evil to go along with privilige. I also found out during said scan that the foil inside a cigarette pack will set the damn thing off, sensitive persnickery lil machines they are.

[Kobi]

What I heard was a choice between an invasive xray or a patdown including between thighs and between buttocks.

If someone, someday, is found smuggling some potential device stuck up their behind, are we all supposed to bend over and take one for the country?

We have become slaves to terrorism. We are allowing terrorists to rule our lives. We are allowing the threats of terrorist to strip us of our rights and freedoms.

When is enough, enough?

[justkim]

I am not so sure if it is a privilege to fly... If I was going to pay that much to reach a destination of my choice and now you want to search me... In the process would you mind pulling my hair and smacking my ass? I have been stopped and frisked... The culprit... my ummm... nipple rings... serious? Dean, I love the idea of EVERYONE stepping into a little box... Win Win situation all the way around... Check this site out below... I know this isn't a laughing matter for many but sometimes humor is the only way to approach things...

http://wewontfly.com

[Linus]

It is not a privilege to fly but it is a right to ensure privacy of one's self. It's interesting to see where the outcry is coming from this. The trans community has been speaking out against the back scatter scanners for a while since it violates our right to privacy (regardless of what is said as to how the info isn't kept, it has been proven otherwise) as well they have received sensitivity training in regards to trans individuals (so far, I've never been challenged).

I try to avoid the back scatter simply because of the amount of travel I do. There are airports/transportation systems elsewhere in the world (Israel, I believe) who have far more stringent rules. I just wish TSA had a "business" travelers line so I'm behind people who know the rules, get through and go on.

[Corkey]

I have to bypass all magnetic machines as I have a neuro implant. The times after 911 I did fly were frisky moments. Now I refuse to fly, if we cant drive there forget it, we don't really need to be there. I have and continue to receive x-rays, CT scans beyond "normal" levels because of my conditions, I sure as hell don't need TSA adding to my chances of getting that one dose that puts me over my bodies limit to withstand radiation.

[weatherboi]

the frustrating thing about all of this xray machine stuff is it is not necessary.
they have dogs to do the sniffing so i dont understand why they deem this a necessary avenue. it is a ridiculous solution and to boot they want to be able to also pat our bodies down in ways that make me cringe!!!

Originally Posted by Corkey

I have to bypass all magnetic machines as I have a neuro implant. The times after 911 I did fly were frisky moments. Now I refuse to fly, if we cant drive there forget it, we don't really need to be there. I have and continue to receive x-rays, CT scans beyond "normal" levels because of my conditions, I sure as hell don't need TSA adding to my chances of getting that one dose that puts me over my bodies limit to withstand radiation.

[Martina]

i don't have a problem with it. i hate to fly, but i do twice a year or more. Whatever it takes to be safe and to get the job done quickly works for me.

[Scorp]

Do what you got to do to keep us safe. So go on and X-RAY.

Personally, every time I get on airplane, I feel as though it may be my last time on one. I hate flying and always have, even before terrorism, but it doesn't stop me from going anywhere.

It still amazes me that these huge pieces of equipment have the ability to stay up in there air. In any case, that's neither here nor there.

As far as terrorism and folks sneaking shit on planes in any way they possibly can, these scanners best be 100%. I'm sure it's going to be a matter of time before catastrophe hits again. I hope I'm wrong, but...I don't think that will be the case.

So sad what we have to do and go through because of such hate and power hungry fuckers. What the world has to come to. There will never be peace...

That's a whole other thread....

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Brock

The prices we pay in this world in which we live.

When I fly, I follow the rules. No way around it. Follow rules or stay on the ground.

Someone mentioned it is optional. I say needs to be mandatory that everyone must have the scan or no one gets scanned.

Perhaps I am missing something here but what purpose does "optional" serve?

It's only optional because there was initially enough concern that the TSA acquiesced and allowed pat-downs. The pat downs are quite invasive and frankly border on assault. In addition TSA agents are hassling individuals who respectfully opt-for pat downs.

The bottom line is there is zero validity for the need for these machines. They were put into play because someone stood to make a great deal of money.

They do not detect anything in bodily cavities.

To date TSA has stopped zero terrorists at TSA checkpoints.

It's theatre, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by DomnNC

I too get the lil visit to the glass room and the pat downs because I set the scanners off everytime I go thru. It matters not that you carry a card from your surgeon stating you are a medical implant patient, lol. However, I'm all for anything that will guarantee the safety of the passengers aboard a plane to make sure there are safe arrivals and departures. Like someone said, it's a privlige to fly and there's always going to be some necessary evil to go along with privilige. I also found out during said scan that the foil inside a cigarette pack will set the damn thing off, sensitive persnickery lil machines they are.

It cannot guarantee yours, or anyone else's, safety. And to think that it does is just silly. I'm glad it makes you feel better to walk through them, but please don't fool yourself that it's solving anything.

Originally Posted by Kobi

What I heard was a choice between an invasive xray or a patdown including between thighs and between buttocks.

If someone, someday, is found smuggling some potential device stuck up their behind, are we all supposed to bend over and take one for the country?

We have become slaves to terrorism. We are allowing terrorists to rule our lives. We are allowing the threats of terrorist to strip us of our rights and freedoms.

When is enough, enough?

We are allowing defense and security contractors to lobby the government to put million dollar machines in place in lieu of doing that actual hard work of fixing the issues which make us targets for terrorists. In lieu of doing the challenging, yet more beneficial work, of analyzing potential threats.

Originally Posted by weatherboi

the frustrating thing about all of this xray machine stuff is it is not necessary.
they have dogs to do the sniffing so i dont understand why they deem this a necessary avenue. it is a ridiculous solution and to boot they want to be able to also pat our bodies down in ways that make me cringe!!!

It should make you cringe. The reason it's been done, aside from the fact that it made someone a lot of money is theatre. Making people feel like the government was doing something. The more important factors, such as changing the way airline crews are trained to deal with hijackers, reinforcing cockpit doors and requiring additional baggage screening weren't things that the public could see as actions. These continued infringements on our privacy, our movement and our persons are actions the public can see and say "well, it's for our own good." But it's not. It just costs us money. In taxes, in time that we have to pay a babysitter, in time when we could be working, in time in general. It just costs.

Originally Posted by Martina

i don't have a problem with it. i hate to fly, but i do twice a year or more. Whatever it takes to be safe and to get the job done quickly works for me.

See above. Please follow the money. Who really stands to gain by this?


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I'm sorry folks, In the first ten days of this month I had three horrific flying experiences and I've heard of dozens more from people I know and trust.

I am, by and large, a respectful, courteous flyer. But I've reached my limits. I'll continue to treat others with respect when I fly, but I will not submit to the humiliating and invasive scanners. I did it once, because I wanted to know what I was dealing with. It was, in a word, demoralizing.

To walk between two monolithic structures and be told to stand perfectly still, raise your hands above your head and wait made me feel as those I was waiting to be arrested, or worse, executed.

When I exited the machine I was told to wait and the agent radioed that there was a "female anomaly" and they were trying to determine if I would need a pat down. After five minutes I was allowed to go without a pat down.

I've since opted out and been subjected to very aggressive pat-downs. When you realize that you've been intimate with individuals who haven't touched you in places a government agent is now touching you it's too much.

Think about that for a minute before you say "doesn't bother me". How will it bother you when it's your lover or your mother or your child?

[Waldo]

Originally Posted by Scorp

Do what you got to do to keep us safe. So go on and X-RAY.

Personally, every time I get on airplane, I feel as though it may be my last time on one. I hate flying and always have, even before terrorism, but it doesn't stop me from going anywhere.

It still amazes me that these huge pieces of equipment have the ability to stay up in there air. In any case, that's neither here nor there.

As far as terrorism and folks sneaking shit on planes in any way they possibly can, these scanners best be 100%. I'm sure it's going to be a matter of time before catastrophe hits again. I hope I'm wrong, but...I don't think that will be the case.

So sad what we have to do and go through because of such hate and power hungry fuckers. What the world has to come to. There will never be peace...

That's a whole other thread....

We go through this because over system of government allows lobbyists to head up federal agencies. LINK

[betenoire]

Perhaps if your government wants to make you "safe" from "terrorists" it should instead explore what, exactly, it does that pisses people off so much. And then fucking stop doing that.

[Nat]

http://consumerist.com/2010/09/pregn...body-scan.html

The two TSA agents asked me, "Why don't you want to go through this?" I said, "I don't trust it." They said, "Why don't you trust it?" I said, "I am pregnant and would rather be pat down." And they said, "Oh but you get ultrasounds, don't you?"

I answered yes and the TSA officer said, "Oh it is less than an ultrasound, and it's really easy so just go through."

The TSA officers are doctors now??

They repeated again for me to just go through the scanner and it would be done in 5 seconds. I was literally in tears because I wanted a pat-down instead of going through the machine, and I felt they declined me that option. No matter how much I pushed for a hand pat-down, they pushed harder for the machine.

Then, after I stood in the machine, the officer waiting on the other side of it patronized me by cooing, "There, that was easy, wasn't it?"

I mentioned that I was forced to do it and went to the belt to take my possessions, while tears ran from my eyes.

I really felt the TSA agents were just being lazy since a pat down obviously takes more time for them, but I also feel like when I specifically ask for something that is an option for me, I should be able to get it.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by Nat

http://consumerist.com/2010/09/pregn...body-scan.html

That's bullshit. And the many of the comments on the article are so sexist. I only had to reach the first page of comments to see a bunch of jackasses going on about how her pregnancy hormones were obviously making her unreasonable.

Gross.

[RockOn]

This puts things into incredibly sharp focus for me.

Let's go back to the 9/11 tragedy for a moment.

How about the people in the plane that went down in the Pennsylvania field?
They did not go down instantly. Due to events that were transpiring on their plane, they had a pretty good idea they would not make it. Try and put yourself in their position for just a minute. (although that is impossible to even imagine what a horrible feeling) Those poor souls had to endure absolute fucking terror for a long time as their situation became progressively worse on their airplane.

Pretend those people had been given these two choices that day before they boarded the plane.

Keep this in mind. This is a little exercise in the absolute. There can be no what ifs, no questions, no altering of the choices, no saying this could never happen, no saying this type of guarantee could never be provided. Remember this is a hypothetical scenario, it is only pretend.
Their only two selections are listed below:
1.
Go through what we have to undergo today in order to travel by plane. If they willingly agree to this, they are guaranteed personal safety.
2.
Board the plane exactly as they did that day - take their chances because they are highly indignant and sick of being intimidated by terrorism.

Wonder what their choice would be.
Wonder what your choice would be.
I know what mine would be.

[Corkey]

Sorry I don't do guilt. TSA has overreached with this. I don't easily give up my freedoms, seeing how I fought for them, and neither should you. If we do so then the terrorists have indeed won.