11-04-2012, 05:16 PM | #61 | |
Infamous Member
How Do You Identify?:
Human Preferred Pronoun?:
He Relationship Status:
Very Married Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Where I want to be
Posts: 8,155
Thanks: 47,491
Thanked 29,299 Times in 6,640 Posts
Rep Power: 21474859 |
Quote:
*I* being a male in a female body have *appropriated* nothing. I am who I am, and I am Male. I'm sorry if this doesn't fit with the whole white privilege thing, but it is true none the less. Sometimes I wish folks would put away the microscope and learn that there are whole societies that live just fine, minus the privilege. If the UK isn't as knowledgeable about Studs, Aggressive, and other Pronouns, I would suggest it may be due to culture. Again, Culture is the apt usage of Pronouns that people use to express who they are to a society that hold them at arms length, with privilege.
__________________
"Many proposals have been made to us to adopt your laws, your religion, your manners and your customs. We would be better pleased with beholding the good effects of these doctrines in your own practices, than with hearing you talk about them".
~Old Tassel, Chief of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) |
|
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Corkey For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 02:54 AM | #62 |
Member
How Do You Identify?:
It's cool! Preferred Pronoun?:
Cooky Relationship Status:
In love Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Downunder
Posts: 109
Thanks: 113
Thanked 415 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 5028123 |
Thanks for this thread, Girl On Fire I've been struggling with B-F terminologies in general, so it's helpful to see threads about these terms being discussed. While I see the sense of simply googling, it's a passive act. I find reading active discussions on the topic more interesting. Language and semantics are ever evolving, to reflect the people who use them. Aren't we the ones who collectively 'own' these terms, and who are most active in deepening and evolving the language that we use?
... I thought that's as good a meaning of 'stud' as any |
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Samurai Wanderer For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 03:10 AM | #63 |
Member
How Do You Identify?:
It's cool! Preferred Pronoun?:
Cooky Relationship Status:
In love Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Downunder
Posts: 109
Thanks: 113
Thanked 415 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 5028123 |
I don't quite understand this part. Why would the gay community want to avoid self empowering labels? Aren't we in the business of self-empowering?
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Samurai Wanderer For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 03:27 AM | #64 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
m'lady Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: NJ
Posts: 2,000
Thanks: 1,834
Thanked 6,231 Times in 1,462 Posts
Rep Power: 21474853 |
Growing up in a multi-cultural area of Brooklyn, I heard the term "papi" used, but it was primarily used in a straight setting. I'd also heard the term "stud"...again primarily in straight discourse. I never heard the terms "stud" "aggressive" or "papi" used in the LGBT context until I joined the LGBT club at my college. From my own experience, I found this to be more an issue of age than of diversity. I live, and work, in a very diverse community, however, it wasn't until I spent time with the 20-something age group that I heard the terms used frequently. Now...I'm not saying that the terms weren't, or haven't, been used in a cultural context for many years..just that I'd never heard them. I will say that, when I joined the club at my college, it made my heart sing to hear young butches, studs, aggressives, and every other self-identifier used with such freedom and pride! It has, and still does, make my heart leap a bit when I see the younger generation...those coming after me...embrace who they are with whatever ID they choose so freely and with such an unabashed sense of self. I admire them, I cheer for them, I support them...and I love them all.
__________________
Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there ~ Rumi |
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to always2late For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 06:07 AM | #65 | |
Guest
|
Quote:
However I find that in the wider 'gay community' I encounter here in UK, including many of my 'gay' friends, folks don't use the labels we embrace here in the b/f world. Mostly I find the attitude to be "I'm just me, I don't need labels". I have observed that those who embrace labels are those who don't 'fit', into the wider gay 'community'. It is my experience that most folks I come into contact with, homo or hetero, don't understand the need for self empowering, self identifying labels...until a patient person explains the need. |
|
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 07:16 AM | #66 | |
Member
How Do You Identify?:
It's cool! Preferred Pronoun?:
Cooky Relationship Status:
In love Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Downunder
Posts: 109
Thanks: 113
Thanked 415 Times in 72 Posts
Rep Power: 5028123 |
Quote:
|
|
11-05-2012, 06:09 PM | #67 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Hippy Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: *
Posts: 3,750
Thanks: 6,499
Thanked 11,917 Times in 2,700 Posts
Rep Power: 21474854 |
I've been thinking about this a lot, and I'm glad the question came up. I wanted to say that with every label comes the dreaded stereotype. Yet, if we do not have a way to differentiate with 'labels' things get cloudy for some. I like to think of these categories as 'descriptors' rather than labels. Well the emerging generations of Studs, Ags, Aggressives, Machas etc., also deal with being stereotyped within the Community. Just like Butch folks, Femme folks and all under the rainbow folks have. I have 2 links to share for thought One is a U-TooB channel from StudzLife101. http://www.youtube.com/user/StudzLife101?feature=watch The other is this video...
__________________
|
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Daywalker For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 06:20 PM | #68 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
FTM Preferred Pronoun?:
guy ones Relationship Status:
... Join Date: May 2011
Location: chillin' in FL
Posts: 3,690
Thanks: 21,951
Thanked 9,678 Times in 2,875 Posts
Rep Power: 21474853 |
AS for the term "papi"
I've only heard papi referred to for male identified individuals, gay or straight. My girl actually calls me papi = daddy. I also know mostly latin people, male and female, use the term to call younger latin males. . and guys call other guys papi too. At least here in Fl where I am. I'm sure when they use that term "papi" it's not in reference to daddy but instead a male they believe is good looking. Hence the term "papi chulo"
|
11-05-2012, 06:28 PM | #69 | |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Hippy Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: *
Posts: 3,750
Thanks: 6,499
Thanked 11,917 Times in 2,700 Posts
Rep Power: 21474854 |
Quote:
On the other hand, I have a friend of 22 years who is Hispanic and whose Femme calls her Papi and/or Poppi...her preferred pronoun is She. So does not Identify as a male. It's all relative...to me.
__________________
|
|
11-05-2012, 06:39 PM | #70 |
MILLION $$$ PUSSY
How Do You Identify?:
Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
Iconic Ms. Relationship Status:
Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: ** La Reina del Sur**
Posts: 22,488
Thanks: 32,231
Thanked 80,119 Times in 15,678 Posts
Rep Power: 21474873 |
Cause I am to tired to type about it
>LINKYLOO< "Excuse Me Sir" All the shows are actually all very informative, you'll have to look them up on YOU TUBE to watch them.
__________________
"If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden Last edited by The_Lady_Snow; 11-05-2012 at 06:41 PM. |
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to The_Lady_Snow For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 06:48 PM | #71 | |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Hippy Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: *
Posts: 3,750
Thanks: 6,499
Thanked 11,917 Times in 2,700 Posts
Rep Power: 21474854 |
Quote:
I know Q-Roc. I heart Q-Roc.
__________________
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to Daywalker For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 06:55 PM | #72 |
MILLION $$$ PUSSY
How Do You Identify?:
Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
Iconic Ms. Relationship Status:
Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: ** La Reina del Sur**
Posts: 22,488
Thanks: 32,231
Thanked 80,119 Times in 15,678 Posts
Rep Power: 21474873 |
Uh huh
Me too, when ruffryder mentioned only the cis male version of Papi I remember how lucky I was to have been around a diverse POC queer experience. I really urge folks to read/listen to Q-Roc's stuff it's very informative. I wish more POC gender variant folks would come to BFP to share experiences and culture.
__________________
"If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden |
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to The_Lady_Snow For This Useful Post: |
11-05-2012, 07:31 PM | #73 | |
Member
How Do You Identify?:
Femme Woman Preferred Pronoun?:
She Relationship Status:
Married to Greyson Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: In the present
Posts: 828
Thanks: 3,156
Thanked 3,445 Times in 660 Posts
Rep Power: 21474851 |
Excellent post Mr. Day. I think of butch, femme, papi and other descriptors as you said as identities. A woman spoke at a conference we went to and she said labels are what others apply to you and identites are what you use to express yourself. I thought this was a great way of putting it. Are labels and identities the same thing? I don't think they are.
Quote:
__________________
Happiness Bubbling! |
|
11-05-2012, 08:59 PM | #74 | |
Member
How Do You Identify?:
Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
She, Her Relationship Status:
On Hiatus Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 690
Thanks: 2,020
Thanked 2,683 Times in 562 Posts
Rep Power: 21474848 |
Quote:
__________________
"Quit trying to reason with unreasonable people. It's like trying to have a meaningful conversation with an end table." ~ Girl_On_Fire
|
|
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Girl_On_Fire For This Useful Post: |
11-09-2012, 06:17 PM | #75 |
Timed Out
How Do You Identify?:
Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
She, Her Relationship Status:
Wrangled Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: TX
Posts: 333
Thanks: 703
Thanked 684 Times in 189 Posts
Rep Power: 0 |
Another Perspective... |
The Following User Says Thank You to txdoc For This Useful Post: |
11-09-2012, 06:23 PM | #76 |
MILLION $$$ PUSSY
How Do You Identify?:
Kinky, Raw, Perverted, Uber Queer Alpha Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
Iconic Ms. Relationship Status:
Keeper of 3, only one has the map to my freckles Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: ** La Reina del Sur**
Posts: 22,488
Thanks: 32,231
Thanked 80,119 Times in 15,678 Posts
Rep Power: 21474873 |
WTF
You're kidding me right? What perspective is this?
__________________
"If you’re going to play these dirty games of ours, then you might as well indulge completely. It’s all about turning back into an animal and that’s the beauty of it. Place your guilt on the sidewalk and take a blow torch to it (guilt is usually worthless anyway). Be perverted, be filthy, do things that mannered people shouldn’t do. If you’re going to be gross then go for it and don’t wimp out."---Master Aiden |
11-09-2012, 06:42 PM | #77 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
queer femme-inist Relationship Status:
I'm lucky. Join Date: May 2010
Location: Western Mass
Posts: 3,697
Thanks: 9,238
Thanked 14,359 Times in 2,670 Posts
Rep Power: 21474854 |
Because the narrator is so young,
I'm thinking about how I'd respond to one of my students. With that lens, I want to have patience for her ignorance, but Her 'Shut the fuck up' stance really bothers me. It makes it impossible for me to try to disentangle her misconceptions. |
The Following 12 Users Say Thank You to Chancie For This Useful Post: |
11-09-2012, 06:44 PM | #78 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Miss Twiggy Preferred Pronoun?:
Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and that shit doesn't sound atrocious! Relationship Status:
divorce happens..all that glitters ain't gold Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SLC Utah
Posts: 2,284
Thanks: 2,768
Thanked 7,161 Times in 1,793 Posts
Rep Power: 21474853 |
|
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to MissItalianDiva For This Useful Post: |
11-09-2012, 07:19 PM | #79 |
Senior Member
How Do You Identify?:
Butch Relationship Status:
Perusing Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: exit 5 with an exit 21 goal
Posts: 1,725
Thanks: 15,351
Thanked 10,606 Times in 1,477 Posts
Rep Power: 21474852 |
but she's like totally been a lesbian for a year now
futch and stem<== strike them from the record thank you |
11-09-2012, 07:25 PM | #80 |
Practically Lives Here
How Do You Identify?:
Femme Preferred Pronoun?:
dee Relationship Status:
Hitched up Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Livin’ the Dream
Posts: 24,079
Thanks: 30,560
Thanked 54,958 Times in 13,923 Posts
Rep Power: 21474873 |
she did manage to get ONE thing right, that femme does not = bottom, butch does not = top.
The rest is just sad. i hope her mom sees it. |
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to girl_dee For This Useful Post: |
Tags |
butch, stud |
|
|