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Old 11-17-2020, 11:27 AM   #1161
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I'm blaming the 58% of white voters who voted for Donald Trump. Just because a few people are popping off doesn't mean they represent all of us. In-fighting between Democrats just plays into the right's hands. The Repugs will be thrilled.
Re: the Repugs will be thrilled

Rank and file Republicans like my family have no idea we fight about anything. My parents were SHOCKED in 2016 when i mentioned how many voters would be holding their noses while voting for Clinton.

My relatives have spent the entire time since Biden was projected posting ominous "get ready for socialism" rants on facebook.

I have broken my 5-year anti-commenting rule to inform them that there ARE a bunch of ACTUAL socialists that will be happy to explain that NOT being Socialist was ultimately how Biden got nominated (ultimately, not exclusively-- just during those few weeks when it came down to him and Bernie)

Once again, their minds are blown. Like they literally had no idea our entire party does not march in lockstep on our mission to murder the unborn.

Their media bubble portrays us as much more unified (and badass) than we actually are
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My mom has been so upset with the carnage of the political party she was once a life time member of....that she wrote to the RNC last week and delivered a scathing rebuke and rebuttal of the toxic GOP politics which has turned rogue with TP supporters.

She got her point across rather quickly and will never cast a vote for the GOP, ever again.

She is now on the right side of democracy, as a full fledged Democrat.

She told me this over the phone, the other day. I love my mother for seeing critical flaws in the GOP thinkers of America.

Never again will my mom cast a vote for any GOP official.

In fact, she is now a grass roots supporter for Democrats in Idaho. Her Blue Wig Marge Simpson hairdo is now her wig for the Democrat Party.

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My mom has been so upset with the carnage of the political party she was once a life time member of....that she wrote to the RNC last week and delivered a scathing rebuke and rebuttal of the toxic GOP politics which has turned rogue with TP supporters.

She got her point across rather quickly and will never cast a vote for the GOP, ever again.

She is now on the right side of democracy, as a full fledged Democrat.

She told me this over the phone, the other day. I love my mother for seeing critical flaws in the GOP thinkers of America.

Never again will my mom cast a vote for any GOP official.

In fact, she is now a grass roots supporter for Democrats in Idaho. Her Blue Wig Marge Simpson hairdo is now her wig for the Democrat Party.

I wish my parents could be that rational. They were given Trump bumper stickers and yard signs and put them straight into the TRASH, but they still "had" to vote for him because Biden's pro-choice.
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Wow, what a cliff-hanger day it has been. I saw headline news about the Michigan results being thwarted but then suddenly there was no issue. But WTF is wrong with Sen. Graham? Wow. That is serious what he did and three cheers for the Republican Secretary of State who is taking some serious heat and thankfully, he had the foresight to include a participant who backs up his account of what Senator Graham said. Just wow.

Some serious serious stuff is going down.


Consequences for the GSA person who is delaying incoming administration access to government areas necessary to transition processes?

Consequences for Graham, too?

*tick tock*
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Sure do hope both of the men win seats in the Senate. Really good article covering both campaigns. Keep up the good fight in Georgia, Georgian voters!

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Re: the Repugs will be thrilled

Rank and file Republicans like my family have no idea we fight about anything. My parents were SHOCKED in 2016 when i mentioned how many voters would be holding their noses while voting for Clinton.

My relatives have spent the entire time since Biden was projected posting ominous "get ready for socialism" rants on facebook.

I have broken my 5-year anti-commenting rule to inform them that there ARE a bunch of ACTUAL socialists that will be happy to explain that NOT being Socialist was ultimately how Biden got nominated (ultimately, not exclusively-- just during those few weeks when it came down to him and Bernie)

Once again, their minds are blown. Like they literally had no idea our entire party does not march in lockstep on our mission to murder the unborn.

Their media bubble portrays us as much more unified (and badass) than we actually are
When I said the Repugs would be thrilled about the in-fighting I was actually thinking of elected ones like McConnell and them finding ways to exploit it. However, I did not specify that in my post.

Yes, I agree it's common for the rank and file to think of us as all socialists - which is exactly what the moderates in Congress are objecting to - although I think they are blaming the wrong side. I think the bickering is very counterproductive and they should work on actual issues and not worry about whether some policy is moderate, progressive, etc.
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"Yes, there is election fraud and it's coming from inside the White House," ~ Joshua A. Douglas, Law Professor @ University of Kentucky.

Opinion: Trump is the true perpetrator of election fraud

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/opini...las/index.html
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Radical agitation helped bring Social Security and much of the New Deal into being.

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Joe Biden’s pilgrimage to Warm Springs, Ga. Credit...Brian Snyder/Reuters

Not long before Election Day, Joe Biden traveled to Warm Springs, Ga. to deliver a speech on the healing of America.
This place, Warm Springs, is a reminder that though broken, each of us can be healed. That as a people and a country, we can overcome a devastating virus. That we can heal a suffering world. That yes, we can restore our soul and save our country.
The location was intentional. Warm Springs is where Franklin Delano Roosevelt went to rest and recover, beginning in 1924, after his polio diagnosis and subsequent paralysis in 1921. As president he made it, along with his home in Hyde Park, N.Y., a kind of winter White House. He died there in 1945, just a few months after taking the oath of office for a fourth time. The town remains a shrine to the 32nd president, an ideal stop for someone who hopes to channel Roosevelt’s ambition (and also saw electoral opportunity in the state).

We now know that Biden will be president, but he won’t have the votes for F.D.R.-size legislation. This doesn’t mean he’s dead in the water, but it does mean that Biden will have to marshal every resource and rely on every possible ally to win whatever victories he can. And he should know, as Roosevelt did, that this means grappling with the left — all of the left, including its most radical edges.

The Social Security Act of 1935, which established the nation’s old age and unemployment insurance programs, as well as its first stab at maternal assistance, represents traditional Democratic Party liberalism at its best: simple, broad-based and pragmatic. The basis for the American welfare state — and derided by opponents at the time as an example of “creeping socialism” — it remains a potent example of the power of government to help ordinary people. What the public knows is that it was the product of Roosevelt and the New Deal. Missing from this story is how much the law owes to the activism and agitation of the American left.

On Feb. 10, 1931, four years before Senator Robert Wagner of New York and Representative David Lewis of Maryland introduced President Roosevelt’s social security legislation to Congress, tens of thousands of Americans nationwide took to the streets at the height of the Great Depression to march for unemployment assistance and food aid. Organized by a then-burgeoning Communist Party, demonstrations ranged from peaceful protests to tense confrontations with law enforcement. In Boston, noted The New York Times in a contemporaneous report, “Two hundred Communists and sympathizers and about as many police staged a series of fights and scuffles along the Boston Common.” In St. Paul, Minn., “Communist-led demonstrators jammed their way into the House chamber of the Minnesota Legislature and held possession for more than two hours while they demanded relief for the unemployed.”

In New York City, similarly, “nearly 4,000 men, women and children heard half a dozen speakers call upon the government to grant unemployment insurance, stop evictions and to furnish free food, heat and light to the unemployed.”

These demonstrations weren’t just for the idea of unemployment insurance. The Communists had a particular bill in mind: the Workers’ Unemployment Insurance Bill, which the party had drafted the previous year. The Workers’ Bill, as it was called, promised generous assistance for the unemployed, for the sick and the old, and for new mothers, all financed by taxes on corporate income and inheritances.

With ongoing activism and agitation came greater support; rank-and-file pressure from within the American Federation of Labor, for example, led to the creation of the A.F.L. Trade Union Committee for Unemployment Insurance and Relief, headed by Louis Weinstock of the New York Painters’ Union, himself a communist. The committee endorsed the bill, which was later introduced to Congress by the Minnesota Farmer-Labor congressman Ernest Lundeen on the urging of Herbert Benjamin of C.P.U.S.A., who led the party’s effort to organize the unemployed.

Lundeen’s version of the “Worker’s Bill” quickly became a rallying point for unions and associations of the unemployed across the country. Here is the historian James J. Lorence in “Organizing the Unemployed: Community and Union Activists in the Industrial Heartland”:
Although the Lundeen Bill drew only lukewarm congressional backing, its strong rank-and-file support helped shape the debated that ended in the creation of the American unemployment insurance system.
Over the course of 1934, grass roots organizers arranged marches, letter-writing campaigns and conferences in support of the bill. “The popular pressure crested in January 1935 with a major national demonstration to support the Lundeen Bill,” Lorence writes. “Among the groups endorsing the legislation were MESA [Mechanics Educational Society of America]; AWU [Auto Workers Union]; Railway Carmen; Machinists; Mine, Mill and Smelter Workers; the rebel AFL unions; and a large number of ethnic and fraternal organizations.”

Concurrent with the demonstration was a Communist-organized National Congress for Unemployment and Social Insurance. There, thousands of delegates from dozens of states agitated for its passage. Proponents of the Lundeen bill, like Thomas Arnold Hill of the National Urban League, urged its passage:
There must come before the Congress of the United States, legislation that will guarantee, for all workers regardless of age, occupation, color, sex, or political belief, full compensation for all loss of time occasioned by involuntary unemployment, industrial accident, and sickness. Minimum standards must be set below which this compensation must not fall. Costs must be placed not upon workers, but upon Government and capital; and workers must not be excluded from administering the benefits of such a plan.
Aware of the Roosevelt proposal, which had been percolating within the administration for most of the previous year, proponents held out the Workers’ Bill as the only viable solution to the unemployment crisis. “It is the position of the Communist Party that it is the responsibility of the national government to provide, against all those vicissitudes of life which are beyond individual or group control, a guarantee of a minimum standard of decent livelihood equal to the average of the individual or group when normally employed,” declared Earl Browder, the leader of C.P.U.S.A., in a statement made at Senate Finance Committee hearings on the Wagner-Lewis Bill. “The Communist Party opposes the administration bill because it violates each and every one of these conditions for real social insurance.”

On March 9, 1935, the House Committee on Labor, following hours of testimony from a cross-section of Americans, voted to send the Lundeen bill to the House floor, where it was promptly defeated by an overwhelming majority of Democrats and Republicans. In death, however the Lundeen bill, as well as the activism that brought it to Congress, helped clear the way for Wagner-Lewis, a proposal which even in its modesty redefined the relationship between state and citizen.


F.D.R. arrives in Warm Springs, Ga., with Eleanor and their daughter Anna, after winning the 1932 election. Credit...Bettmann Archive/Getty Images

Paul H. Douglas, a University of Chicago economist and future senator from Illinois, made this clear in his 1936 book on the Social Security Act (as quoted in the essay “A Decade of Dissent: The New Deal and Popular Movements,” by Gertrude Schaffner Goldberg).
The radical and sweeping nature of its proposals enabled the administration forces to say to the indifferent and to the conservative that unless the latter accepted the moderate program put forward by the administration they might later be forced to accept the radical and far-reaching provisions of the Lundeen bill.
From roughly 1930 to 1935, an amalgamation of leftists and laborers — employed or otherwise — made social insurance an urgent priority for the federal government. It is possible that something like the Social Security Act would have passed without this agitation, but knowing how difficult it is to move the American government in any direction without the pressure of organized public opinion, I doubt it.

Let’s return to the present. The conditions of January 2021 will be very different than those of January 1935. The situation isn’t as dire and the left isn’t as strong. Neither is the Democratic Party. What, then, can Democrats take from this story?

Simply put, an ambitious, active left is one that widens the scope of reform. It’s a left that, even if you disagree with it, helps clear the pathways for action. It brings energy and urgency to liberal politics. And if nothing else, it’s a foil against which moderates can triangulate and make the case for more than marginal change, should they want it. Roosevelt was often frustrated with the left, but recognized its power and the importance of its vitality to his own cause.

There was no building the American welfare state without the left, and if it’s to be rebuilt, the left will have to be part of it. Democrats, especially would-be heirs to F.D.R., should take care to remember that fact.

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Joe Lockhart Op-ed @ CNN presents the argument on why TP must be held accountable once he is forced from office.

I agree with Joe Lockhart.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/opini...art/index.html
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Barack Obama, on NPR's Fresh Air, 11/19/2020:

"Donald Trump is uninhibited and willing to say anything even if it doesn't sound plausible."

What a nice way to say 'Donald Trump is a liar.'
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Watch out for this misinformation when Congress meets to certify the election.
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An audit of election ballots in Atlanta in mid-November.Credit...Brynn Anderson/Associated Press

As Congress meets on Wednesday to certify Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s victory in the November election, President Trump and his supporters continue to spread rumors, conspiracy theories and misinformation about the vote.

Here are six false voter fraud claims that may be repeated during the proceedings on Wednesday.

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No, ‘glitches’ in Dominion Voting Machines did not change vote tallies.

Claim: Dominion Voting Systems, which makes software that local governments around the nation use to help run their elections, deleted votes for President Trump.

Fact: There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, including the machines with Dominion software, according to the federal agency that oversees election security.

Background: In the weeks after the election, President Trump and his supporters spread baseless claims about Dominion. The claims included theories that “software glitches” changed vote tallies in several states, including Michigan and Georgia. No such changes were ever found.

Mr. Trump and his supporters subsequently claimed that Dominion had hidden evidence of voter fraud, both by destroying machines or removing parts within the machines. Mr. Trump repeated those claims during a call with Georgia’s secretary of state last weekend. Gabriel Sterling, a top election official in Georgia, said Monday of the claims of election fraud in the state, “This is all easily, provably false.”

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No, politicians in Georgia did not prevent an analysis of absentee ballots.

Fact: Election officials have audited absentee ballots and found “no fraudulent absentee ballots.”

Claim: President Trump and his supporters have claimed that absentee ballots in Georgia were rife with fraud and that state officials have not fully investigated.

Background: The Georgia secretary of state, Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, ordered law enforcement and election investigators to conduct an audit of more than 15,000 absentee ballot envelopes in Cobb County, based on a complaint that signatures were not adequately checked there. The audit found no fraud. Mr. Raffensperger has said that he also plans a statewide audit of each county’s signature-match policies and procedures.

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No, thousands of votes in Arizona were not changed to favor Biden.

Claim: In an interview on the conservative cable channel Newsmax in December, the Arizona Republican chairwoman, Kelli Ward, said 200,000 ballots were digitally changed to give the victory to Mr. Biden, and Representative Paul Gosar amplified the falsehood on Twitter.

Fact: Audits in Arizona have found no evidence of voter fraud, or changed vote tallies.

Background: While early results in Arizona showed a close race, the final count revealed that Mr. Biden had won the state by more than 10,000 votes.

Audits in Arizona’s four largest counties, which make up 86 percent of all votes in the state, turned up no evidence of systematic voter fraud.

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No, election workers didn’t stuff fraudulent ballots into suitcases.

Claim: President Trump’s supporters have pointed to a video as proof that ballots were pulled from a “suitcase” at a vote-counting center in Atlanta.

Fact: Election officials have said the surveillance video shows normal ballot processing. It is not unusual practice for poll workers to store ballots that still need to be counted on-site at the polling center.

Background: As reported by The New York Times, late on Nov. 3, election workers in Fulton County, Ga., heard that they would be allowed to stop the vote-counting and retire for the evening. So they packed uncounted ballots into suitcases and prepared to lock up. When word came that they couldn’t leave yet, they dragged the suitcases back out and began counting the ballots again.

But that scene of election workers taking out suitcases of ballots was selectively edited and pushed by allies of President Trump as one of the many false theories purportedly proving widespread election fraud. The conspiracists also named the election worker Ruby Freeman as a specific player in this false conspiracy event.

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No, there isn’t evidence that Pennsylvania election officials violated state law.

Claim: President Trump’s campaign has claimed that Pennsylvania election officials improperly handled tens of thousands of mail-in ballots in violation of state election law.

Fact: The Trump campaign’s legal efforts to disqualify votes in Pennsylvania have been unsupported by evidence.

Background: The Trump campaign filed several claims in court seeking to invalidate Pennsylvania’s election results, and one ally of Mr. Trump, Senator Josh Hawley, has said he would challenge the results because he believed “some states, particularly Pennsylvania, failed to follow their own state election laws.”

But the Trump campaign has included no evidence that any vote had been cast illegally.

In a hearing on Nov. 17, President Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudolph W. Giuliani, acknowledged he had no proof to back up his claims of voter fraud in Pennsylvania. “This is not a fraud case,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Four days later, the judge overseeing the case dismissed the lawsuit. It was also shot down last month by Judge Stephanos Bibas, a Trump appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, who said in a ruling, “Calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.”

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No, Pence does not have the power to change the election result.

Claim: Vice President Mike Pence can reject state electors in the Electoral College.

Fact: Federal law stipulates that the vice president’s role is to count Electoral College votes, not decide whether they are valid.

Background: President Trump on Tuesday falsely claimed on Twitter that Mr. Pence has the power to reject electors when the Electoral College vote is certified.

As president of the Senate, Mr. Pence is expected to preside over the pro forma certification of the Electoral College vote count in front of a joint session of Congress. The only electoral certifications available for Vice President Pence to preside over are the ones approved by each state.


Ben Decker and Jacob Silver contributed research.
Davey Alba is a technology reporter covering disinformation. In 2019, she won a Livingston Award for excellence in international reporting and a Mirror Award for best story on journalism in peril. @daveyalba

Sheera Frenkel covers cybersecurity from San Francisco. Previously, she spent over a decade in the Middle East as a foreign correspondent, reporting for BuzzFeed, NPR, The Times of London and McClatchy Newspapers.

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