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I may be double-gendered..... female & butch.... which is how I view myself in terms of being female-other. This feels like a sub-identification of butch to me.
When is all said & done, my guess is that there are many genders! multiplistc boink... |
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BullDog, do you use woman as a noun also and not a descriptor, adjective? I am asking this question in the spirit of seeking understanding. It's not meant to be a slander of some sort. I use the words "Transmasculine Butch" to attempt to identify my gender with some clarity. Transpmasculine is an adjective, Butch is a noun. Transmasculine offers some insight to my belief that I fit somewhere on the spectrum of Transgender and have taken steps to move toward the legal recognition of my "otherness." Unfortunately, in our current legal system, in most countries there is only the option of being recognized legally as a man or woman. There is one exception that I am aware of and that is because Linus posted a link with a story about a person born as a cisgender man, transitioned to become female, then decided that she/he was non-gendered. England did grant this person legal status as non-gendered.
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I have never understood why our genders or biological sex (whatever they may be) need to have a legal status to begin with.
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That is a very excellent point. I have wondered myself but this is the current reality I/we live in and I try to thrive in. I think this need to codify ones gender and/or biological sex is most likely grounded, and mired in patriarchy.
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Absolutely rooted in patriarchy! And male-dominated jurisprudence. Not all that long ago, historically (speaking about modern western cultures, as this is still true in some other cultures), women could not own property, including children they bore! They could not divorce ... or vote (not until 1920 in the US)!
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they also could not have hysterectomy's or have other "sterilizing" procedures without consent from husband, even when it was medically advised.
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I personally think it's a terrible shame and crime that this still goes on in some countries and cultures.
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OK, we have derailed the thread! Now that I think about it, however, if we did live in a perfect world and the binary was NOT used as a legal designation for gender..... how would this play out in terms of women's rights? I'd like to think that this could banish the tenets of male priviledge, but, would it? Seems possible.... but, would it in terms of the obvious gender related wealth and power that lies in the hands of men? If trangendered and intergendered really became legal gender designations (which I believe should be), would we see (speaking of the US, here) a redistribution of wealth and power based upon gender? |
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the more i think about gender, as opposed to sex, the more i suspect myself of having no gender. seriously.
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I really like this thread. I can't relate to man or woman either. In my head I have a male body but I am ok with having a physically female body. Somehow my brain is not registering this as a problem, and I have little to no dysphoria. I prefer he because it refers to the male that I see myself as but she is OK with me as long as it is referring to just my surface. I've been more uncomfortable to the people's reactions around me to the pronouns I've been called than to the pronouns themselves.
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I'm new, and somehow stumbled into this thread.
I am biologically female, but not a woman. I have a strong streak of masculinity in me, but I am not a man. As far back as I can remember, even before realizing I was lesbian, I knew I didn't fit into "girl" or "boy". It's not about transitioning into an "opposite", but realizing that I am both and neither. I feel that gender isn't all-one or all the other, but is a kind of continuum. I would go as far as to say that I believe there are more than three genders, that don't necessarily manifest themselves in appearance but are on the inside. I don't know if any of this makes sense, but that's OK; it only has to make sense to me. When I first came out, I thought I had to "pick one"-butch or femme, and I couldn't fit 100% in either. So again, I am both and I am neither. I don't know if "andro" fits, or even if that word is still used. It feels a little unnerving, not having a box to check, so to speak, but on the other hand, it's liberating. I kind of like being open to whatever feels right on a given day. |
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