Turkey shoots down Russian War plane

imperfect_cupcake · 11-24-2015, 04:15 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...der-with-syria
Turkey shoots down Russian jet near Syrian border

This is really, really frightening. I can't sleep.

Jesse · 11-24-2015, 07:33 AM

It is seriously not a good thing. There is already too much crazy stuff going on.

Uli · 11-24-2015, 07:47 AM

Oh no. This gives me a sick feeling in my belly.

MsTinkerbelly · 11-24-2015, 11:04 AM

You all don't believe in God, but if you get a chance (just for shits and giggles) read the Bible, especially what is talked about as the "ends days". We have been moving toward this for over 2000 years.

While you laugh at me and make fun of me and my faith, these times have been foretold.

Jesse · 11-24-2015, 04:11 PM

"You all don't believe in God..."
That's an incorrect generalization. I very much do believe in God and have met quite a few others on this forum who do as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

You all don't believe in God, but if you get a chance (just for shits and giggles) read the Bible, especially what is talked about as the "ends days". We have been moving toward this for over 2000 years.

While you laugh at me and make fun of me and my faith, these times have been foretold.

MsTinkerbelly · 11-24-2015, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesse

"You all don't believe in God..."
That's an incorrect generalization. I very much do believe in God and have met quite a few others on this forum who do as well.

Is that all you got from my post? Smh

I generalized, because for the most part according to what I've seen (read), most people here do not believe in God, or the existence of a higher power. If my post pertains to you then it pertains to you, if not pass it over.

kittygrrl · 11-24-2015, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

You all don't believe in God, but if you get a chance (just for shits and giggles) read the Bible, especially what is talked about as the "ends days". We have been moving toward this for over 2000 years.

While you laugh at me and make fun of me and my faith, these times have been foretold.

Ms Tinkerbelly, Nobody is laughing at you. And while I don't believe in your particular idea of god, I do respect and hope we can learn from each other. I know the bible well and respectfully disagree that this is the end times. Mankind continues to repeat the same horrific mistakes throughout it's history and has only become more clever in it's war machines. The nature of men is to conquer and someone must submit. I don't believe in holy wars and there are no good reasons for them (imo). We will annihilate ourselves, one way or another this is ultimately our goal. Perhaps a few will survive, time will tell.

MsTinkerbelly · 11-24-2015, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

Ms Tinkerbelly, Nobody is laughing at you. And while I don't believe in your particular idea of god, I do respect and hope we can learn from each other. I know the bible well and respectfully disagree that this is the end times. Mankind continues to repeat the same horrific mistakes throughout it's history and has only become more clever in it's war machines. The nature of men is to conquer and someone must submit. I don't believe in holy wars and there are no good reasons for them (imo). We will annihilate ourselves, one way or another this is ultimately our goal. Perhaps a few will survive, time will tell.

I am not posting here to debate whether or not there is a God, and I am sorry ms. Cupcake for the derail to your thread. That was sooooooo not my intention.

Cin · 11-24-2015, 11:15 AM

No, this is not good at all.

If Greece shot down a plane every time Turkey violated it's airspace, I doubt Turkey would have many fighter jets left.

I can only hope the US and the West in general condemn this action by Turkey. That might satisfy Putin and he will be able to back down from this and still save face. But since this is the response from the US so far, I can only surmise Russia is in for a bumpy ride. Chalk one up for the Islamic State terrorists.

"Speaking on the condition of anonymity, a Pentagon official told reporters in Washington that the U.S. was uninvolved in what had happened. “Our Turkish allies informed us that their military aircraft shot down a Russian military aircraft near the Syrian border after it violated Turkish airspace on Tuesday,” the official said. “At this time, we can confirm that US forces were not involved in this incident.”

Putin is understandably a bit pissed off right now.

“Our pilots and our plane never threatened the Republic of Turkey in any way. This is an obvious fact,” Mr. Putin said ahead of a meeting with Jordan’s King Abdullah II in the Black Sea resort of Sochi. “Today’s loss is a stab in our back delivered by the accomplices of terrorists. I cannot find another wording for what happened today.”

"Mr. Putin said Russia had always treated Turkey as “a friendly nation,” but pulled no punches in outlining what he saw as Turkish complicity in the rise of Islamic State, which he referred to by the acronym ISIL. “ISIL has big money, hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars, from selling oil. In addition they are protected by the military of an entire nation. One can understand why they are acting so boldly and blatantly. Why they kill people in such atrocious ways. Why they commit terrorist acts across the world, including in the heart of Europe.”

What I can't understand is why the US and the West continues to support the countries that fund and arm the terrorists that attack the West.

Here is the article where I got the quotes.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle27449031/

Uli · 11-24-2015, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Tick

What I can't understand is why the US and the West continues to support the countries that fund and arm the terrorists that attack the West.

As much as I hate the idea, and as much as I avoid conspiracy theories in an effort to preserve my mental health, I really think it has to do with the oil-related wealth of some very powerful people, people whose greed completely overrides their ethics.

But, I would really like someone to convince me that I'm wrong.

Cin · 11-24-2015, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Uli

As much as I hate the idea, and as much as I avoid conspiracy theories in an effort to preserve my mental health, I really think it has to do with the oil-related wealth of some very powerful people, people whose greed completely overrides their ethics.

But, I would really like someone to convince me that I'm wrong.

I have a hard time believing it's about oil or just oil. And I would love someone to convince me I'm wrong as well. It makes me feel sick. I wish it was just some conspiracy theory that I could ignore as the ranting of some paranoid nut, but it is well documented that these countries who are allies of the US fund these terrorist groups. There is no denying that. It would be like denying that the US funded right wing paramilitary forces in Central America to stop left wing revolutionaries.

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