Presidential Slugfest 2016 - Debate Watch Party!

[Shystonefem]

Off topic but may I say Rachel Maddow looks very handsomely butch tonight.

Trump's words did not match his appearance. I thought he looked half-asleep.

Asshole that he is.

He won't accept the results of the election. What a loser.

Hillary did a fantastic job.

I don't think I have ever seen a time when Rachael didn't look handsomely butch.

[Bubala]

Rachel is always handsome ;)

Big numbers coming from the big cities will be clear this year.

Trump said how poll watches should watch Philly and Chicago... Fact Check - Chicago is not up for grabs its With HRC all the way.

I agree with Rachel's assessment of Trump strategy as "weaponizing the racist stereotypes". Trump is wildly outside of the norms of American political rhetoric, such notions, even in their most gentle implications, represent a serious danger to democracy at its core.

[Corkey]

The moment he did not agree to the peaceful transference of the Presidency, he lost.

[Gemme]

Trump looks medicated to me. 😑

Not much affect considering the last two debates.

Xanax?

WRONG!

:hamactor:

:police:

:huhlaugh:

I agree she is very strong. I am talking about his presentation, not even anything he is saying. He is not acting like an insane man. Nothing to do with his words. He presents as calm. That is different. That is what people have pointed out as his issue/problem. He isn't doing that this time.

I'm talking about his temperament, which is everyone's concern.

For those of you who work in the mental health industry, how would you diagnose a patient that has a history of erratic and aggressive behavior, grandiose and unrealistic delusions, is narcissistic, is threatening towards anyone that confronts him, degrades women, is a xenophobe and likely a pathological liar?

It's not my field so I'm honestly interested. Also, I agree. He's totally been jacked up on something that smoothes his rough edges. It must have taken the dose of an elephant to get that effect.

[DapperButch]

WRONG!

:hamactor:

:police:

:huhlaugh:



For those of you who work in the mental health industry, how would you diagnose a patient that has a history of erratic and aggressive behavior, grandiose and unrealistic delusions, is narcissistic, is threatening towards anyone that confronts him, degrades women, is a xenophobe and likely a pathological liar?

It's not my field so I'm honestly interested. Also, I agree. He's totally been jacked up on something that smoothes his rough edges. It must have taken the dose of an elephant to get that effect.

Oh, I am very comfortable with the diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder for him. It is very, very rare, but he meets the criteria perfectly.

I actually was unmoved and truly had no emotional reaction when he said that he wouldn't accept the presidential results. I didn't believe him when he said he would. He can't. He simply can't. How much noise he will make I have no idea. But, he has to make SOME. His "illness' (forgive me for the term), won't allow it.

He sees himself as unpredictable, but I find him very predictable.

The other stuff is just your usual run of the mill racist, sexist, etc. person.

ETA: I also love watching Donny Jr., try to make the same head shakes as his Dad when listening. He always tries to replicate his way of speaking. Cracks me up. Sad too...he is just so desperate for Dad's love.

[*Anya*]

I am not talking about Trump's behavior and verbalizations throughout this entire election process nor am I talking about that tonight.

Affect simply is the of range of emotions like broad, restricted, blunted, flat, inappropriate, labile and how a person exhibits them. I thought Trump's affect appeared flat to me and did not match his words.

Simply, he looked half-asleep to me.

Or as someone else described: you could say he looked like he smoked a blunt.

Affect has nothing to do with his character. I have described that he is nuts and basically despicable from the get-go each time I have posted in the election thread.

I think everyone is pretty clear about how I feel about him.

Nuts is not a clinical term but I think everyone knows what I mean.

Clinically, yep Dapper: Narcissistic Personality Disorder and there is no cure or medication to fix that.

[Bubala]

What kind of drugs are Giuliani and Trump's campaign manager on???

[Lyte]

He did seem more under control in the beginning and then kinda lost it for a while. Overall this was his best performance.

I agree she is very strong. I am talking about his presentation, not even anything he is saying. He is not acting like an insane man. Nothing to do with his words. He presents as calm. That is different. That is what people have pointed out as his issue/problem. He isn't doing that this time.

I'm talking about his temperament, which is everyone's concern.

[Medusa]

I feel like his handlers are toning down his "orange-ness". His hair and skin look less "Orange Fanta".

It makes me wonder if they are trying to make him look more Presidential or if it's truly just the effects of the campaign wearing on him.

[Lyte]

A lil Orangina??

I feel like his handlers are toning down his "orange-ness". His hair and skin look less "Orange Fanta".

It makes me wonder if they are trying to make him look more Presidential or if it's truly just the effects of the campaign wearing on him.

[A. Spectre]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvLjLwhUEAAxy6u.jpg



*I am not being premature when believing with all of my existence that Hillary Clinton will be our next President. The evil with a name, donald trump hopefully will fall into the abyss called obscurity.

[Lyte]

LOL Love that!! :)



*I am not being premature when believing with all of my existence that Hillary Clinton will be our next President. The evil with a name, donald trump hopefully will fall into the abyss called obscurity.

[DapperButch]

I really, really can't believe Donald about Hillary tonight. Really angers me. He is trying to embarrass her and I think she is feeling embarrassed. I fucking hate him.

Looking forward to what she does. She must be feeling like shit.

[DapperButch]

I was a little uncomfortable with some of Hillary's jokes. Slighty to far in some areas, no matter how much I hate Donald. At the same time, can anything be "too far" when someone says they plan to put you in prison?

I love what she spoke about in the end. She sounded and presents as very Presidential. I will be so proud if she becomes our leader.

[Lyte]

I don't think she feels bad at all... at least not embarrassed. 1. She's winning!! 2. He got booed by the room. My guess is she's feeling very impatient and can't wait till this BS is over.


I really, really can't believe Donald about Hillary tonight. Really angers me. He is trying to embarrass her and I think she is feeling embarrassed. I fucking hate him.

Looking forward to what she does. She must be feeling like shit.

[EnderD_503]

I was a little uncomfortable with some of Hillary's jokes. Slighty to far in some areas, no matter how much I hate Donald. At the same time, can anything be "too far" when someone says they plan to put you in prison?

I love what she spoke about in the end. She sounded and presents as very Presidential. I will be so proud if she becomes our leader.

I find it hard to feel sorry for Trump quite frankly, no matter what jokes are made. When you legit think sexual assault is ok, refer to your own daughter as "hot piece of ass," try to deport or ban entire ethnicities from your country, insinuate the assassination of another candidate, constantly harass and belittle others, get all cosy with the KKK and other militant far-right types, and about a million other disgusting things, then you don't get much sympathy from me. Even jokes in bad taste that I might not necessarily condone, you still won't see any tears for him coming from me given he basically threatened to have Clinton assassinated and a myriad of other things.

[DapperButch]

I find it hard to feel sorry for Trump quite frankly, no matter what jokes are made. When you legit think sexual assault is ok, refer to your own daughter as "hot piece of ass," try to deport or ban entire ethnicities from your country, insinuate the assassination of another candidate, constantly harass and belittle others, get all cosy with the KKK and other militant far-right types, and about a million other disgusting things, then you don't get much sympathy from me. Even jokes in bad taste that I might not necessarily condone, you still won't see any tears for him coming from me given he basically threatened to have Clinton assassinated and a myriad of other things.

It's just my own personal moral compass. I am just saying how I felt at the time. Uncomfortable.

[Gemme]

I really, really can't believe Donald about Hillary tonight. Really angers me. He is trying to embarrass her and I think she is feeling embarrassed. I fucking hate him.

Looking forward to what she does. She must be feeling like shit.

I respectfully disagree. Given how thick her skin has had to grow during her tine in the political spotlight (health care reform, Presidential scandal anyone?) and the campaign trail, I sincerely doubt that she was very uncomfortable. Of course, he's trying to embarrass her. That's been his m.o. the whole time. Humiliate, embarrass, attack, subdue, etc.

I skipped over a few parts but got all of Hillary's speech in and sure, a couple jokes were a little too far. I don't feel it was any more than any other situation where's there's a bit of a roast plus the audience let both candidates know when they pushed the line. The fact that Donald got outright booed shows that he's annoying pretty much everyone now.

The only person I felt was genuinely embarrassed during the speeches was the woman to the back and right (our left) of the candidates as she had a beautiful dress with a low plunging neckline. She kept moving her hands around to cover her décolletage. I did notice, however, that she seemed more relaxed when Hillary spoke than when Donald spoke, so there's that.

Rudy Giuliani was PISSED though. That came through loud and clear.

[MysticOceansFL]

In my opinion Hillary is the grand Dame of the GOP of candidates she has kept on track and focused and yes there were a few jokes in the mix but what she had to go through the whole time who wouldn't make a joke?! And she did so in a tactful way which still got laughs I'm still for her and I hope she serves eight years to boot!!!

[C0LLETTE]

I respectfully disagree....
I skipped over a few parts but got all of Hillary's speech in and sure, a couple
The only person I felt was genuinely embarrassed during the speeches was the woman to the back and right (our left) of the candidates as she had a beautiful dress with a low plunging neckline. She kept moving her hands around to cover her décolletage. I did notice, however, that she seemed more relaxed when Hillary spoke than when Donald spoke, so there's that.

Rudy Giuliani was PISSED though. That came through loud and clear.

If I'm not mistaken, that was Maria Bartiromo. She used to work for CNBC, the biz channel and was known as "The Money Honey"; then moved to Fox Biz channel, where she tried to defend Roger Ailes agst sex charges. I guess she qualifies as a "journalist".

Not sure where she is now but I'm quite sure she was tweeting under the table often and even less discreetly at other times.

[C0LLETTE]

My favourite joke was made by Al Smith, the MC. about Giuliani, saying they arranged the lights in the room so Giuliana was seen in Trump's shadow...or something to that effect.

[MysticOceansFL]

1. You join a lying machine and call Hillary crooked. But you support a man who refuses to release his tax returns. You support a greedy, self serving, manipulative proven tax cheat. You support a crooked narcissistic psychopath who is worried his tax returns would reveal evidence of financial ties to Russian oligarchs and other dictators of the world. Just like we now know Putin's puppets illegally paid millions to his crooked former campaign manager, maybe he has been getting paid too. A corrupt little man whose daughter vacations with Putin's girlfriend. Making Russia great again? A con man who funneled millions of campaign money to his own companies and used campaign money to pay his family handsomely. Using his own words, a disgusting and corrupt man who surrounds himself with a disgusting corrupt people.
2. You say you love our veterans but support a man who believes POWs are not heroes because they were captured? A man who has shown he lacks emotional intelligence when he attacked families of a fallen war hero. A man whose company fired a veteran for being deployed to Afghanistan. A man who insults and derides our generals.
3. You think a soulless, heartless small man who mocked a disabled reporter will make a good president. A man whose first instinct after a tragedy is always self-aggrandizement, like after Orlando mass shooting & when Dwyane Wade's cousin Nykea Aldridge was killed. As 3,000 people were dying, this man bragged about how 9/11 attacks were good for him & bragged about how his building is now the tallest in Manhattan just hours after the attack. When the pound fell to a 30-year low following the vote to exit EU, he boasted about making money off British economic uncertainty. When the housing market collapsed in 2008 and millions of Americans lost their homes, he said “ I 'sort of hope' real estate market tanks.” Trump is always looking out for Trump. How do you believe a greedy, narcissistic man who fundamentally lacks empathy and compassion will be a good president? He is not even a good person.
4. You say you're patriotic & love this country but you support a man who has so little understanding of the basic parameters of our constitution's limits & has zero respect for it, except the part he uses to incite violence. A careless small man who asked Russia to spy on our former Secretary of State. A man who trash talks our NATO allies and our president but lavishly praises brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Un, Muammar Gaddafi, Vladimir Putin...etc
5. You support a small man who has been married three times and has admitted to infidelity in the past. A man who was accused of raping his wife & has a federal lawsuit accusing him of raping a 13-year-old girl during a party hosted by convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. A man who comments about his daughters breasts and body. Then you turn around and bring up Bill Clinton's history with women? I agree with you 100% Bill has a disgraceful history with women but no comparison to Trump who has said cringeworthy, disturbing things about women his whole life. May I remind you Bill is NOT running to be the next president. If you are saying oh, candidates spouses are fair game then you can't ignore that he is married to a woman whose naked pictures are all over the internet.
6. You support a man whose business career is a very long list of bankruptcies, defaults and deceptions because he is good for our economy? A man who was born into wealth and built that wealth by scamming, stiffing and bullying ordinary working citizens of this great country.
7. Yes, Hillary is not perfect, then again no one is. You call her dishonest but support a narcissistic pathological liar? Every time Trump opens his mouth every other word that comes out is a lie. Fact checkers have proven it over and over again. We are talking about a man who makes things up to spew hate and fear, like when he lied about seeing an Iran ransom video and a video of muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. The man is incapable of telling the truth and he is delusional.
8. You support a hypocritical man who hired undocumented immigrants for his real estate projects & exploited our visa program. He is a man capable of solving our immigration problem?
9. I agree 100% if she's elected Hillary and her whole family must distance themselves from the Clinton foundation. Let other people continue the great work the foundation is doing. With that said, you support a man whose foundation is found guilty of a pay-to-play scam and false claims of giving on its tax forms and then turn around and try to push fabricated scandals about the Clinton foundation. The IRS found the con man used funds from his charitable foundation to make a campaign donation to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. Just after 4 days of the bribe payment Pam dropped Trump U case. He also held $150K fundraiser for Pam after she dropped a criminal case against his university. His foundation claimed on its tax return forms that it gave $10,000.00 to The Giving Back Fund, but the organization says that donation does not exist. A man who completely retooled his charity to spend other people’s money. A man with deep ties to global financiers, foreign politicians and criminals.
10. You claim the con man whose line of clothing and accessories are made in Bangladesh, China, Honduras and other low-wage countries is the man to fix our labor laws? You claim the man who outsources everything is the answer to creating jobs here at home?
11. You claim the unfit, unstable Putin's little puppet whose campaign is fully embracing alt-right's anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant ideologies with all their conspiracy theories is the one to unite the country?
12. You support a bottom feeder who put racial discrimination in housing at the heart of his real estate developments, started the birther movement, said "Obama would look perfect on food stamps, he has the right face for it,” and has shown he is prejudice with his actions & words over and over again. Then he pretends he cares about the black communities. He brings up Hillary's reference to a group of violent repeat criminals as "super-predators" in 1996? I don't agree with her choice of words all those years ago but she has apologized since. Something Trump refuses to do.
Of course you can use all kind of deflection tactics & tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but the reality is if you are supporting a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted, unfit, unqualified, disgusting con man, you really should admit to yourself you don't care what he says or does. You are using your hatred to cloud your judgement.

[Martina]

All that for the two Trump supporters here? Maybe energy better spent at the phone banks. Shrug

[kittygrrl]

I haven't been in this thread for awhile but take exception to anyone who wants to indulge in the ridicule of the passionate feelings displayed in this thread..whether you are for Hillary or against her, everyone here certainly feels something regarding the outcome of this election. This needs to be respected. I think we all do what we can when it comes to supporting a candidate. This election is about choices and I would rather see passion for ones convictions and choices rather than mediocrity, resignation, or indifference. Just my thoughts..

[DapperButch]

I am not trying to be a jerk here, but who is this meant for? Is this maybe to people in your own life? Like something that would be posting on the "listening" thread? Getting out your emotions over something that is frustrating? Or is it something you read somewhere and you forgot to add the link?


1. You join a lying machine and call Hillary crooked. But you support a man who refuses to release his tax returns. You support a greedy, self serving, manipulative proven tax cheat. You support a crooked narcissistic psychopath who is worried his tax returns would reveal evidence of financial ties to Russian oligarchs and other dictators of the world. Just like we now know Putin's puppets illegally paid millions to his crooked former campaign manager, maybe he has been getting paid too. A corrupt little man whose daughter vacations with Putin's girlfriend. Making Russia great again? A con man who funneled millions of campaign money to his own companies and used campaign money to pay his family handsomely. Using his own words, a disgusting and corrupt man who surrounds himself with a disgusting corrupt people.
2. You say you love our veterans but support a man who believes POWs are not heroes because they were captured? A man who has shown he lacks emotional intelligence when he attacked families of a fallen war hero. A man whose company fired a veteran for being deployed to Afghanistan. A man who insults and derides our generals.
3. You think a soulless, heartless small man who mocked a disabled reporter will make a good president. A man whose first instinct after a tragedy is always self-aggrandizement, like after Orlando mass shooting & when Dwyane Wade's cousin Nykea Aldridge was killed. As 3,000 people were dying, this man bragged about how 9/11 attacks were good for him & bragged about how his building is now the tallest in Manhattan just hours after the attack. When the pound fell to a 30-year low following the vote to exit EU, he boasted about making money off British economic uncertainty. When the housing market collapsed in 2008 and millions of Americans lost their homes, he said “ I 'sort of hope' real estate market tanks.” Trump is always looking out for Trump. How do you believe a greedy, narcissistic man who fundamentally lacks empathy and compassion will be a good president? He is not even a good person.
4. You say you're patriotic & love this country but you support a man who has so little understanding of the basic parameters of our constitution's limits & has zero respect for it, except the part he uses to incite violence. A careless small man who asked Russia to spy on our former Secretary of State. A man who trash talks our NATO allies and our president but lavishly praises brutal dictators like Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong Un, Muammar Gaddafi, Vladimir Putin...etc
5. You support a small man who has been married three times and has admitted to infidelity in the past. A man who was accused of raping his wife & has a federal lawsuit accusing him of raping a 13-year-old girl during a party hosted by convicted pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. A man who comments about his daughters breasts and body. Then you turn around and bring up Bill Clinton's history with women? I agree with you 100% Bill has a disgraceful history with women but no comparison to Trump who has said cringeworthy, disturbing things about women his whole life. May I remind you Bill is NOT running to be the next president. If you are saying oh, candidates spouses are fair game then you can't ignore that he is married to a woman whose naked pictures are all over the internet.
6. You support a man whose business career is a very long list of bankruptcies, defaults and deceptions because he is good for our economy? A man who was born into wealth and built that wealth by scamming, stiffing and bullying ordinary working citizens of this great country.
7. Yes, Hillary is not perfect, then again no one is. You call her dishonest but support a narcissistic pathological liar? Every time Trump opens his mouth every other word that comes out is a lie. Fact checkers have proven it over and over again. We are talking about a man who makes things up to spew hate and fear, like when he lied about seeing an Iran ransom video and a video of muslims celebrating in New Jersey on 9/11. The man is incapable of telling the truth and he is delusional.
8. You support a hypocritical man who hired undocumented immigrants for his real estate projects & exploited our visa program. He is a man capable of solving our immigration problem?
9. I agree 100% if she's elected Hillary and her whole family must distance themselves from the Clinton foundation. Let other people continue the great work the foundation is doing. With that said, you support a man whose foundation is found guilty of a pay-to-play scam and false claims of giving on its tax forms and then turn around and try to push fabricated scandals about the Clinton foundation. The IRS found the con man used funds from his charitable foundation to make a campaign donation to Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi. Just after 4 days of the bribe payment Pam dropped Trump U case. He also held $150K fundraiser for Pam after she dropped a criminal case against his university. His foundation claimed on its tax return forms that it gave $10,000.00 to The Giving Back Fund, but the organization says that donation does not exist. A man who completely retooled his charity to spend other people’s money. A man with deep ties to global financiers, foreign politicians and criminals.
10. You claim the con man whose line of clothing and accessories are made in Bangladesh, China, Honduras and other low-wage countries is the man to fix our labor laws? You claim the man who outsources everything is the answer to creating jobs here at home?
11. You claim the unfit, unstable Putin's little puppet whose campaign is fully embracing alt-right's anti-Muslim and anti-Immigrant ideologies with all their conspiracy theories is the one to unite the country?
12. You support a bottom feeder who put racial discrimination in housing at the heart of his real estate developments, started the birther movement, said "Obama would look perfect on food stamps, he has the right face for it,” and has shown he is prejudice with his actions & words over and over again. Then he pretends he cares about the black communities. He brings up Hillary's reference to a group of violent repeat criminals as "super-predators" in 1996? I don't agree with her choice of words all those years ago but she has apologized since. Something Trump refuses to do.
Of course you can use all kind of deflection tactics & tell yourself whatever makes you feel better but the reality is if you are supporting a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted, unfit, unqualified, disgusting con man, you really should admit to yourself you don't care what he says or does. You are using your hatred to cloud your judgement.

[MysticOceansFL]

It's just an opinion, you know thoughts put down into words " didn't know there was a limit of how long or short it should be considering I rarely post something that long, billy but have a great rest of the year.





I am not trying to be a jerk here, but who is this meant for? Is this maybe to people in your own life? Like something that would be posting on the "listening" thread? Getting out your emotions over something that is frustrating? Or is it something you read somewhere and you forgot to add the link?

[Happy_Go_Lucky]

I am not trying to be a jerk here, but who is this meant for? Is this maybe to people in your own life? Like something that would be posting on the "listening" thread? Getting out your emotions over something that is frustrating? Or is it something you read somewhere and you forgot to add the link?

This is an open letter that is circulating around Facebook. Here is a link to one place it has made its appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MountVernonTalk/permalink/574606322727694/

[MysticOceansFL]

That's correct happy go lucky and its with the permission of the owner to cut and paste and share with others. You have a great rest of the year also. Btw a monitor as been advised. ~smiles warmly~



This is an open letter that is circulating around Facebook. Here is a link to one place it has made its appearance.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/MountVernonTalk/permalink/574606322727694/

[A. Spectre]

That's correct happy go lucky and its with the permission of the owner to cut and paste and share with others. You have a great rest of the year also. Btw a monitor as been advised. ~smiles warmly~


I was a hall monitor in 6th grade, can I monitor for you? Have a badge and see-in-the-dark vest, and everything!

[Orema]

I was a hall monitor in 6th grade, can I monitor for you? Have a badge and see-in-the-dark vest, and everything!

I want a see-in-the-dark vest, too! Black trimmed in pink, please.

May I also have an "I'm with HER" button for my vest? It would be nice if that glowed in the dark, too.

A matching hat wouldn't be so bad either.

Thank you.

:bow:

[kittygrrl]

Seriously, can we just be supportive instead of trying to shred each other??..so sick of seeing the candidates do it to each other on the news. I like coming here and listening and i'm grateful to everyone here who contributes whether I agree with your opinions or not!

[girlin2une]

Well.. it is a "slugfest" after all... :blink:

but seriously, I am looking forward to the election being over...

[Medusa]

Hey Folks-

My apologies for being late with this (my brain is a little taxed right now with multiple streams of fuckery!).

We got a few reported posts from this thread and I'd like to remind folks to discuss the topic rather than taking personal jabs. I realize that political threads are going to invite some big feelings (Goddess knows I have my own) but PLEASE do your best to allow all opinions to have space here.

It is fine to ask someone why they feel the way they do or ask for clarification on an idea but make sure to keep it welcoming. It's no fun if we all just sit around talking to folks who think exactly like we do so dissenting opinions should be looked at as opportunity to hear new thoughts.

Appreciate you all!
Angie

[easygoingfemme]

Well.. it is a "slugfest" after all... :blink:

but seriously, I am looking forward to the election being over...

Me too. Folks are getting crazy angst out there and people who I know to normally be peaceful and kind are putting the rage on others. It's so ugly.

[DapperButch]

It's just an opinion, you know thoughts put down into words " didn't know there was a limit of how long or short it should be considering I rarely post something that long, billy but have a great rest of the year.

:blink: I was genuinely asking a question with no judgement connected to it. That is why I said, "I'm not trying to be a jerk here". I wanted to join in with my own thoughts, but I wanted to know the intent of your post so that I didn't make assumptions and waste time steering my response in the wrong direction.... I was trying to be RESPECTFUL of you and your post...quite the opposite as to how you seem to have read it.

I also said nothing about the length, that was Martina. Did you mean to quote her instead of me?

ETA; I didn't see this post yesterday, or I would have responded then. I just clicked to "last page", so I missed it.

[Gemme]

Me too. Folks are getting crazy angst out there and people who I know to normally be peaceful and kind are putting the rage on others. It's so ugly.

I just found out yesterday that someone I admire is a full fledged supporter of the candidate that I am most definitely not voting for. She's smart and kind and it just blows my mind because I thought she would lean more towards a candidate more like her.

She told me today that someone crashed through her stone wall and smashed about 75 feet of it this weekend.

I had to bite my tongue really hard because I just knew it was a sign.

:blink:

I am at a total loss and am simultaneously excited and afraid for next Tuesday and I hope that our country won't fall apart no matter who wins the election.