Lesbian Cougar Video--funny or not?

[Soon]

One of my favourite gay bloggers, JoeMyGod, has posted this Second City video and I wanted reactions.

I posted a comment under the nic *rapeisnotfunny* on his site which lets you know my feelings on it.

I was wondering how others feel about it.

I am very disappointed that he would have this on his site and that Second City created it.

What do you think?

[UofMfan]

I found it very offensive.

[MysticOceansFL]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I found it very offensive.

Yeah I agree it was pretty stupid

[Julie]

I found it to be tasteless and in the wrong hands, very damaging -- once again propagates the lecherous "straight seeking missile" stereotype.

[weatherboi]

hi HowSoonIsNow!!!

I watched it not surprised at all that a gay man would post this!!!
I have had many great relationships with many gay men in my life and I have always been aware that most of them were be misogynistic and could be cruel to women and transgendered people as well!!!
Hell I am on the outs with my roomie who happens to be my best cookie because he can't be real with himself about his transphobic and misogynistic views.



The video does not make me laugh!!!
It is one more video that kinda grosses me out and leaves me shaking my head!!!

[suebee]

They COULD have made a funny video.....but they didn't. If they'd put a man in the place of the "cougar lesbians" NOBODY would think it funny. I think the word "twat" describes the idiots who made this.

[MsMerrick]

I thought it kinda stupid? But not highly offensive. Second City is well known for .. satiric stuff. Just a bit off...
But I think that it wasn't men ,was kinda the point. Basically making fun of men.. Who wouldn't get it, I guess..
Maybe its just me, I found it so silly, that I saw it as more anti matter than not...

[EnderD_503]

Originally Posted by suebee

They COULD have made a funny video.....but they didn't. If they'd put a man in the place of the "cougar lesbians" NOBODY would think it funny. I think the word "twat" describes the idiots who made this.

I really wish people would stop with the whole "well, if a man did it" spiel. It's like men and males have become the scapegoats to an extent, or females are allowed to be individuals and men must all be grouped into the same negative group. There are many comedies/comedy skits that are based around the very concept of a man in said cougar's place, and in which the man is placed in a negative light. More and more I feel like there's some kind of modified Animal Farm mantra: Female good. Male bad. Why not take this for what it is, instead of bringing in "if a man did it"? I don't mean to vent at you, suebee, this is more something that's been building up on several comments that have been made in various topics, that I just wanted to address here. I just wish this kind of thing would stop.

I think part of what is feeding into this is that with the whole Cougar Convention thing (that numerous popular celebrities have participated in), the spotlight is now on "cougars," and it has kind of reached a temporary level of being "cool." If we want to talk about double-standards, though, I think that if a male equivalent to the Cougar Convention existed, the mainstream and people in general would be in an uproar (at least, I cannot imagine such a thing being allowed to come to Toronto and attain the same public approval). When men participate in this kind of behaviour they're often considered "dirty" or "perverted."

Anyways, about the commercial for this show itself, I have mixed feelings. I admittedly don't even know what Second City is, or know very much about the show other than the clip you've posted here, HowSoonIsNow, but I did get a bit of a satiric vibe off of it. Jokes or comedies can make light of otherwise unpleasant, hypocritical or overall negative subjects for the exact purpose of pointing out their heinous/ridiculous nature. Take the movie Borat for example, or countless other similar films who make light of darker subject matter; not because they actually believe in the racist or sexist subject matter, but because they're highlighting its existence and hypocritical place in society. I wonder if perhaps this show aims to do the same.

And just to add about my response to the clip: I didn't find it either funny or overly offensive. Not something I'd care to watch.

[SuperFemme]

anyone taking advantage of a drunk person is gross.

sometimes too far is too far.

[Soft*Silver]

I reported it and I posted under my name..

"Where do you find any humour whatsoever in the sexual assault of drunken young women by predators? Be careful what you conjure...the images you have created and watch will linger in the culture and add to the pradigm that woman are just fuck holes. Well, the joke is on you..for it is your emasculated little erections not this video that are truly the pitiful jokes of our sick culture."

[Maria]

I don't think there's enough evidence in this video to construe it as some sort of sophisticated satire wherein the film makers lampoon stereotypes of lesbians as predators and college-aged women as sexually vulnerable drunks in order to criticize those stereotypes. The video just isn't that meta. Certainly the depiction of an overly drunk girl hitting the ground and being groped doesn't seem rife with subversive messages about her condition. Rather, it just gets some cheap laffs in at the expense of women.

That is my take. Oh, also it's unfunny crap.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Maria

I don't think there's enough evidence in this video to construe it as some sort of sophisticated satire wherein the film makers lampoon stereotypes of lesbians as predators and college-aged women as sexually vulnerable drunks in order to criticize those stereotypes. The video just isn't that meta. Certainly the depiction of an overly drunk girl hitting the ground and being groped doesn't seem rife with subversive messages about her condition. Rather, it just gets some cheap laffs in at the expense of women.

That is my take. Oh, also it's unfunny crap.

Yes, exactly.

HB, yes we have known each other online for years, and of course I have plenty of respect for you and like you. Your argument here, and those of others, still seems to be we are just too dense to figure out this is satire (no matter how poorly conceived) or what the point of satire is in the first place, and therefore it doesn't matter. I strongly disagree. I know damn well what satire is and what the point of it is. I also strongly disagree with what you said to Softness. All I can do is shrug at this point, I guess.

Again, it seems women in general, and lesbians more specifically, are open to all sorts of degradation, ridicule and offense that is not tolerated for other groups- both here and in the world at large, by women as well as males.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Dean Thoreau

I find several things funny -
1. the video it was hysterical especially considering what was being advertised as one watched the video. would have been more hysterical if they advertised douche and tampax tho.

2. I find the fact that this is aobut "cougar lesbians" and so many people on B-F sites state frequently the term lesbian IS NOT their identity who are PERSONALLY offended by this..

3. I find it hysterical that of the hundreds of thousands of blatantly offensive, crude, deceitful, lying, pornographic videos on the internet,,,this is the one people find offensive.....

Sorry there is a lot more I find offensive than this 30 second video that is not worth the 30 seconds of typing I had to do to write this post.

Namaste

Lesbian is my identity as it is for many members here. And the admin has now included anti-lesbian/lesbian-phobic rhetoric in the Planet's TOS along with transphobia, sexism, sizeism, homophobia, racism, etc.

I agree that there are many blatantly offensive, crude, deceitful, lying, pornographic videos on the internet
that are quite offensive. However, there are members here that find this video offensive from a lesbian-phobic stance.

I wouldn't care for a clip that is offensive to any of the identities represented here. I feel like your comment is minimizing (or just plain disregarding other identities) the effect that the clip can or does have on those of us who do identify as lesbian and wanted to make our reasons clear.

[Corkey]

Just because I am not a lesbian doesn't diminish how distasteful and gross that clip is. I have every right to my opinion as a Human.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Just because I am not a lesbian doesn't diminish how distasteful and gross that clip is. I have every right to my opinion as a Human.

Yup, you do as a human... and also you and all lesbian members are now covered under a revised TOS contract on The Planet:

5. No Intolerant Behavior! - Racially offensive, Sizist, Sexist, Transphobic, Classist, Ableist, Elitist, Misogynist, Homophobic, Lesbian-phobic or otherwise hateful speech is NOT acceptable here. If you make an asshattish or hateful comment, you can expect your fellow community members to want to engage with you about it. Also, making a comment that is racist, ageist, sexist, sizist, Lesbian-phobic or generally offensive and then adding "It's just my opinion" or "It's my First Amendment Right!" does NOT negate your personal accountability for what you just said.

[Stearns]

Originally Posted by TickledPink

There is nothing appealing about taking advantage of someone who is puking and intoxicated. Blech!

This is nothing against you, TickledPink. I'm just using your post to make a point. "Taking advantage" of someone would be more akin to someone having a few drinks that merely lowers their inhibitions, but they are still fully capable of giving or withdrawing consent. When someone is completely intoxicated, as depicted in the video, they are incapable of giving consent, in a legal sense. The act then rises to the level of - and indeed is - a sexual assault. Of the felony variety.

Originally Posted by Corkey

Just because I am not a lesbian doesn't diminish how distasteful and gross that clip is. I have every right to my opinion as a Human.

Right on. I'm glad the logic of not being able to be offended unless one is a member of the targeted group didn't apply to Lincoln and slavery and Johnson and civil rights.

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by Stearns

This is nothing against you, TickledPink. I'm just using your post to make a point. "Taking advantage" of someone would be more akin to someone having a few drinks that merely lowers their inhibitions, but they are still fully capable of giving or withdrawing consent. When someone is completely intoxicated, as depicted in the video, they are incapable of giving consent, in a legal sense. The act then rises to the level of - and indeed is - a sexual assault. Of the felony variety.


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Well yeah except that, in the words of the players, what they wanted from these overly intoxicated straight women, was for them to "lick my twat"

Now, anyone who thinks that a falling over intoxicated woman or man, with or without experience, is going to be capable of doing that with any actual "fun" results.. raise your hand... :0
Seriously, yes blech and yes stupid..But yes satire... very badly done satire.....

[Stearns]

Originally Posted by MsMerrick

Well yeah except that, in the words of the players, what they wanted from these overly intoxicated straight women, was for them to "lick my twat"

Now, anyone who thinks that a falling over intoxicated woman or man, with or without experience, is going to be capable of doing that with any actual "fun" results.. raise your hand... :0
Seriously, yes blech and yes stupid..But yes satire... very badly done satire.....

I just got a mental picture of you in a jury box, Olympic-sized scorecard in hand, ready to rate the vic's performance, based on testimony from the perp

Seriously, though, I just don't find depictions of sexual assault/sexual assault scenarios, regardless of how well-crafted or executed, regardless of vic gender or age - amusing. The lesbians-as-perps angle was particularly disturbing and it concerns me that the non-knowing will take it as truth more often than not. People viewed this video with different 'eyes'. Those were mine.