Lesbian Cougar Video--funny or not?

[MsMerrick]

Originally Posted by Stearns

This is nothing against you, TickledPink. I'm just using your post to make a point. "Taking advantage" of someone would be more akin to someone having a few drinks that merely lowers their inhibitions, but they are still fully capable of giving or withdrawing consent. When someone is completely intoxicated, as depicted in the video, they are incapable of giving consent, in a legal sense. The act then rises to the level of - and indeed is - a sexual assault. Of the felony variety.


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Well yeah except that, in the words of the players, what they wanted from these overly intoxicated straight women, was for them to "lick my twat"

Now, anyone who thinks that a falling over intoxicated woman or man, with or without experience, is going to be capable of doing that with any actual "fun" results.. raise your hand... :0
Seriously, yes blech and yes stupid..But yes satire... very badly done satire.....

[Stearns]

Originally Posted by MsMerrick

Well yeah except that, in the words of the players, what they wanted from these overly intoxicated straight women, was for them to "lick my twat"

Now, anyone who thinks that a falling over intoxicated woman or man, with or without experience, is going to be capable of doing that with any actual "fun" results.. raise your hand... :0
Seriously, yes blech and yes stupid..But yes satire... very badly done satire.....

I just got a mental picture of you in a jury box, Olympic-sized scorecard in hand, ready to rate the vic's performance, based on testimony from the perp

Seriously, though, I just don't find depictions of sexual assault/sexual assault scenarios, regardless of how well-crafted or executed, regardless of vic gender or age - amusing. The lesbians-as-perps angle was particularly disturbing and it concerns me that the non-knowing will take it as truth more often than not. People viewed this video with different 'eyes'. Those were mine.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by Stearns

I just got a mental picture of you in a jury box, Olympic-sized scorecard in hand, ready to rate the vic's performance, based on testimony from the perp

Seriously, though, I just don't find depictions of sexual assault/sexual assault scenarios, regardless of how well-crafted or executed, regardless of vic gender or age - amusing. The lesbians-as-perps angle was particularly disturbing and it concerns me that the non-knowing will take it as truth more often than not. People viewed this video with different 'eyes'. Those were mine.

Yeah, I agree with you Stearns. I don't see how depicting sexual assault could ever be amusing or effective as satire no matter how well-crafted it was.

Some people seem to be implying that people objecting to this video don't get it was supposed to be satire or that we don't see the subtleties. Yeah, I think pretty much everyone gets it was supposed to be satire. That's not what is important to many of us.

[betenoire]

I do have to wonder at what point will negative representations of lesbians (or gay men, or bisexuals, or transsexuals, etc) in fictional media be considered okay? How many GOOD representations of lesbians do you need to balance out one bad one? When will poking fun at lesbian stereotypes no longer be considered too taboo?

I mean, 15 years ago when there were no (that I can think of) representations of lesbians on television - I can see this video being a HUGE deal. Like "Oh nice, you all finally get around to putting us on teevee and you pull this lesbian cougar shit. Assholes." But now? Really?

Lesbians are portrayed on television more and more - so you can't -really- expect that every portrayal of a lesbian is going to be a positive one. It's actually a little unreasonable to demand that. You can't expect entertainment media to treat you with kid gloves forever.

[AtLast]

Thinking about the kind of talent someone has that does put together satire that actually produces Ah, Ha moments, the ability to laugh at oneself and has some social value. This, just doesn't on the face of it. It is an insult to those talented folks that know what they are doing.

I am not crazy about the subject matter as well and the lesbian-phobic nature of it at all. But, I bet there are satirists that could pull it off in some meaningful way.... well, maybe....

[Random]

I don't find it funny.. I turned it off at the passed out frat girl part..

But I can see why some people would find it humorous..

My sexuality is not a sacred cow... If comedians/snl/second city can make fun of other people.. Rednecks,Mom Jeans, Republicans, Blonds, Brit Spears, then why not lesbians...

I don't like that kind of humor.. I have an embarrasment factor... When people make asses of them selves, It embarrasses me..

You should see me react to Borat and the other movie..

ugh...

[Heart]

Wait a sec -- let's not start with the whole humorless-lesbians-should-just-get-over-themselves stereotype. I specifically said that the Simpsons skewering of lesbians is successful satire -- meaning its damn funny. I can also remember falling off my chair laughing at Kat Clinton's ribbing menopausal lesbians to hysterical effect.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by betenoire

I do have to wonder at what point will negative representations of lesbians (or gay men, or bisexuals, or transsexuals, etc) in fictional media be considered okay? How many GOOD representations of lesbians do you need to balance out one bad one? When will poking fun at lesbian stereotypes no longer be considered too taboo?

I mean, 15 years ago when there were no (that I can think of) representations of lesbians on television - I can see this video being a HUGE deal. Like "Oh nice, you all finally get around to putting us on teevee and you pull this lesbian cougar shit. Assholes." But now? Really?

Lesbians are portrayed on television more and more - so you can't -really- expect that every portrayal of a lesbian is going to be a positive one. It's actually a little unreasonable to demand that. You can't expect entertainment media to treat you with kid gloves forever.

Treat us with kid gloves forever? Are you serious? I'd like to see just how funny you think the media's portrayal of bisexuals and transsexuals are.

Edit: oh and young girls have been portrayed in the media since the beginning of time. Seeing them drunk and passed out on the lawn ready to be fucked- not funny.

[betenoire]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Treat us with kid gloves forever? Are you serious? I'd like to see just how funny you think the media's portrayal of bisexuals and transsexuals are.

Yes, that's right Bulldog. I haaaaaaaate Lesbians and I loooooooove Bisexuals and Transsexuals. You totally have me all figured out and stuff! Amazing! Only you forgot to mention how much I loooooooooove Gay Men. I'm hurt that you didn't notice that particular aspect of my subtext! Boo! (That was sarcasm.)

I actually can't think of any positive portrayals of transsexuals in entertainment media. Not one. Zero. Ditto bisexuals.

But wow, you guys get Kerry Weaver. You get Willow Rosenberg. You get Dr. O'Hara. Who do I get?

I'll tell you who I get. I get barsexuals - I get portrayals of girls who are drunk enough that they'll fuck anything - girls like the girls in that stupid video. I get Maureen Johnson - who comes complete with every single bad thing that people presume about bisexual women. I get Karen Walker - who is really just a self-obsessed drunk who's implied bisexuality I can't even pretend to take seriously. I get Alyssa Jones who basically said "well, I'd done everything else so I figured I'd start sleeping with women".

We will explore how I feel about jokes about bisexuals and transsexuals on comedy shows once there are some legitimate and -kind- representations of bisexuals and transsexuals in the media, cool?

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Yes, that's right Bulldog. I haaaaaaaate Lesbians and I loooooooove Bisexuals and Transsexuals. You totally have me all figured out and stuff! Amazing! Only you forgot to mention how much I loooooooooove Gay Men. I'm hurt that you didn't notice that particular aspect of my subtext! Boo! (That was sarcasm.)

I actually can't think of any positive portrayals of transsexuals in entertainment media. Not one. Zero. Ditto bisexuals.

But wow, you guys get Kerry Weaver. You get Willow Rosenberg. You get Dr. O'Hara. Who do I get?

I'll tell you who I get. I get barsexuals - I get portrayals of girls who are drunk enough that they'll fuck anything - girls like the girls in that stupid video. I get Maureen Johnson - who comes complete with every single bad thing that people presume about bisexual women. I get Karen Walker - who is really just a self-obsessed drunk who's implied bisexuality I can't even pretend to take seriously. I get Alyssa Jones who basically said "well, I'd done everything else so I figured I'd start sleeping with women".

We will explore how I feel about jokes about bisexuals and transsexuals on comedy shows once there are some legitimate and -kind- representations of bisexuals and transsexuals in the media, cool?

So you are telling me there is a bunch of positive portrayals of lesbians in the media and that were in some sort of media renaissance for lesbians?

Lesbians have it good so we should lighten up and not take things so seriously because the kid gloves have to come off some time, but there is zero positive portrayals of bisexuals and transsexuals so we are not going to discuss. Everything is bad. Seriously, is this what your argument is?

You say the kids gloves stage can't last forever. When did this occur? How can the honeymoon be over when we never had one?

Thanks for pointing out your sarcasm, cuz really I would never have noticed unless you kindly pointed it out to me.

[Ebon]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Yes, that's right Bulldog. I haaaaaaaate Lesbians and I loooooooove Bisexuals and Transsexuals. You totally have me all figured out and stuff! Amazing! Only you forgot to mention how much I loooooooooove Gay Men. I'm hurt that you didn't notice that particular aspect of my subtext! Boo! (That was sarcasm.)

I actually can't think of any positive portrayals of transsexuals in entertainment media. Not one. Zero. Ditto bisexuals.

But wow, you guys get Kerry Weaver. You get Willow Rosenberg. You get Dr. O'Hara. Who do I get?

I'll tell you who I get. I get barsexuals - I get portrayals of girls who are drunk enough that they'll fuck anything - girls like the girls in that stupid video. I get Maureen Johnson - who comes complete with every single bad thing that people presume about bisexual women. I get Karen Walker - who is really just a self-obsessed drunk who's implied bisexuality I can't even pretend to take seriously. I get Alyssa Jones who basically said "well, I'd done everything else so I figured I'd start sleeping with women".

We will explore how I feel about jokes about bisexuals and transsexuals on comedy shows once there are some legitimate and -kind- representations of bisexuals and transsexuals in the media, cool?

I thought Alice's character from the L Word was a pretty positive portrayal. But I totally get what you're saying.

[Soon]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Treat us with kid gloves forever? Are you serious? I'd like to see just how funny you think the media's portrayal of bisexuals and transsexuals are.

Edit: oh and young girls have been portrayed in the media since the beginning of time. Seeing them drunk and passed out on the lawn ready to be fucked- not funny.

For me, it is ready to be raped (as Stearns pointed out, it is rape when someone is so drunk that proper consent cannot be given).

This was my main objection to the clip. An incoherent, wasted college girl about to be raped (by a lesbian).

[Stearns]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Treat us with kid gloves forever? Are you serious? I'd like to see just how funny you think the media's portrayal of bisexuals and transsexuals are.

Edit: oh and young girls have been portrayed in the media since the beginning of time. Seeing them drunk and passed out on the lawn ready to be fucked- not funny.

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

For me, it is ready to be raped (as Stearns pointed out, it is rape when someone is so drunk that proper consent cannot be given).

This was my main objection to the clip. An incoherent, wasted college girl about to be raped (by a lesbian).

When one has actually scooped up these girls from frat lawns where they were dumped after serving their 'usefulness', it just makes the video all the more distasteful. I guess I should lighten up, though, and put that one 13 y/o - in particular - who was brought to the party by her older 'friend', out of my mind.

[BullDog]

Originally Posted by HowSoonIsNow

For me, it is ready to be raped (as Stearns pointed out, it is rape when someone is so drunk that proper consent cannot be given).

This was my main objection to the clip. An incoherent, wasted college girl about to be raped (by a lesbian).

I agree. I said earlier the lesbian has basically been put in the place of the frat boy. Insert gender/sexual orientation of choice in the video instead of the lesbians and it's still not funny or satirical.

I do think there is added misogyny, homophobia and lesbophobia added to the mix when you say drunk college girls will even find older lesbians attractive and be "willing" if they are drunk enough.

The messages and imagery is disturbing.