How many femmes are attracted to butches?

[JDeere]

Originally Posted by Signmypapyrus

But isn’t this just socially constructing a binary then? The same could go for femmes. I’m not super femme-y, which dismantles social hierarchies and gender distinctions. I think that’s the beauty of what Judith Butler was getting at when she was talking about gender being performative.

Idk about constructing a binary. I just don't really care what others outside of the glbtqia community think about gender.

[Signmypapyrus]

Originally Posted by JDeere

Idk about constructing a binary. I just don't really care what others outside of the glbtqia community think about gender.

Oh! Thanks for letting me know. For reference, this is Judith Butler: https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/faculty/judith-butler

[Chained Daisy]

In response the the thread there are lots of Femmes and Butches out there I believe but they are scattered far and wide, a statistical cluster would be advantageous for dating I think !

Though no longer taking applications or applying I am attracted to Butches and FTM`s.

As far as the phrase `degrees of butchness` goes I would take that to just be a clumsy way of saying the spectrum of how Butches present, from tomboi, soft butch, or harder, extremely masculine looking etc. Every Butch and every Femme has their own unique blend and I dont believe how they present, their preferences in the bedroom or whether they are a Butch attracted to other Butches or likewise with Femmes gives them any more or less of a degree of their identity.

Peace.

[Signmypapyrus]

Originally Posted by Chained Daisy

In response the the thread there are lots of Femmes and Butches out there I believe but they are scattered far and wide, a statistical cluster would be advantageous for dating I think !

Though no longer taking applications or applying I am attracted to Butches and FTM`s.

As far as the phrase `degrees of butchness` goes I would take that to just be a clumsy way of saying the spectrum of how Butches present, from tomboi, soft butch, or harder, extremely masculine looking etc. Every Butch and every Femme has their own unique blend and I dont believe how they present, their preferences in the bedroom or whether they are a Butch attracted to other Butches or likewise with Femmes gives them any more or less of a degree of their identity.

Peace.

Yes, I think this is a great way of putting it! And for reference, if I hit a nerve with anyone, don't hesitate to tag me or message me! I like having these types of conversation, which I think are important.

[Chained Daisy]

Originally Posted by Signmypapyrus

Yes, I think this is a great way of putting it! And for reference, if I hit a nerve with anyone, don't hesitate to tag me or message me! I like having these types of conversation, which I think are important.

Yes they are important ! Especially with new people coming to the site. Even though most topics have been covered in the wealth of previous threads over the years its good to keep discussions current and alive.

I think its quite difficult to make the right tone come across in the written word as well. For the record, if typing were talking, I smile a lot and am softly spoken, I also speak with my hands and usually spill my tea !

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Signmypapyrus

Yes, I think this is a great way of putting it! And for reference, if I hit a nerve with anyone, don't hesitate to tag me or message me! I like having these types of conversation, which I think are important.

Historically, "degrees of butchness" is very triggering for this community. It hits the whole topic of one "not being butch enough". My understanding is that many butches have experienced their femme partners saying this as a way to hurt them.

I don't see it being problematic to talk about how masculine presenting a person is, however. I would go with that language.

[Signmypapyrus]

I honestly did not intend for this thread to go down this route. As someone who has not only been abused, but also been harassed, I am very sorry. It was a simple mistake. I take these things very seriously and I am very sorry if I have hurt or harmed anyone.

To qualify how I am in real life, I am very ditsy (similar to Jess from New Girl). I think my posts are commonly misread so I think it's best that I either take a break or leave permanently.

Thanks and, again, I am so, so sorry.

[Chained Daisy]

Originally Posted by Signmypapyrus

I honestly did not intend for this thread to go down this route. As someone who has not only been abused, but also been harassed, I am very sorry. It was a simple mistake. I take these things very seriously and I am very sorry if I have hurt or harmed anyone.

To qualify how I am in real life, I am very ditsy (similar to Jess from New Girl). I think my posts are commonly misread so I think it's best that I either take a break or leave permanently.

Thanks and, again, I am so, so sorry.

I for one would do not wish you to leave, clearly you are regretful about the turn this thread has taken and have apologised for any hurt caused. And I`ll also add by saying that that I am by no means being dismissive or overlooking the hurt triggered by the discussion here. As Dapper touched on, `degrees of ~fill in the blank` have sadly been used as a tool to hurt. Why anyone one would do that is a mystery to me.

[DapperButch]

Originally Posted by Signmypapyrus

I honestly did not intend for this thread to go down this route. As someone who has not only been abused, but also been harassed, I am very sorry. It was a simple mistake. I take these things very seriously and I am very sorry if I have hurt or harmed anyone.

To qualify how I am in real life, I am very ditsy (similar to Jess from New Girl). I think my posts are commonly misread so I think it's best that I either take a break or leave permanently.

Thanks and, again, I am so, so sorry.

Oh, Gosh, you didn't do anything! I was just trying to give you some information before you stepped on a land mine.

I hope you return.