2012 US General Election Discussions: Start to Finish

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Originally Posted by Miss Tick

I think it all went to shit during the Reagan years and kept on with a downward spiral for us and a constant climbing for the wealthy, now the country is a barely recognizable shadow of its former self. No jobs, nothing made here, no infrastructure, encouragement and incentives galore for corporations to offshore where its easier to pollute with impunity, the resources are cheap, and the workers cheaper. Not to mention no import taxes. I am sure politicians have things they would like to accomplish during their terms however, the financial elite have such a hold that it is impossible to expect that candidates in national elections will be able to stay viable without Wall Street money. And you can’t expect the financial sector to just give money for nothing. We can all connect the dots from there.

That said, I agree not all candidates are created exactly equal in ALL issues. I think there are issues outside of economic ones where we can find wiggle room. Unfortunately right now economics is killing us.

Oh, yes, I remember the Reagan years in CA well! Probably because of being in the mental health field as well as having a mentally ill sister, my greatest criticism of him was his dismantling of the mental health system in CA without much of anything for very ill people to have as support services. Frankly, I thank Reagan for the start of the huge numbers of homeless mentally ill in this state. People, that with treatment and community based housing with programs and effective/consistent medication use could be productive people in our communities. And the needed services and resources for families of the mentally ill have forever been pretty much non-existent. Another aspect that can be so beneficial in the mentally ill having a fairly good life. Family support is critical but also very difficult- not easy to have mentally ill members in one's family at all- extremely stressful and expensive if you want your family member to have treatment (insurance benefits for mental illness remains practically non-existent).

I do support Obama and will vote for him. Also, again work for his campaign. No, I don't think he is as tied to Wall Street and the banks as so many others are. YES- I am appreciating his recent realization that the GOP in Congress really never intended to work with him and the Dems and his being bolder. His recent recess appointments are critical to economic growth and people being able to build back their shattered credit.

Presently, I am having a big problem with the hawkish garbage about Iran being presented by GOP candidates (except Paul). It is a sensitive situation in which threats of US military intervention would be just insane! Tonight during the GOP NH debate, I saw the very same insane strategies coming from the GOP field that we saw in Bush 43 (actually, 41 as well). Hell, both Perry & Santorum think we should go back into Iraq! They do not want us there any longer and Iran is a sovereign nation. Santorum & Peryy think we should just re-invade!! I hate hearing of Iraq pretty much crumbling into a state of civil war. But, we knew this would happen at the onset of all of Bush's lies! We have no business nation building anywhere. We have to use diplomacy- and have to accept that our form of democracy is not going to work in many areas of the world and a sovereign people have to choose their destiny as they see fit. No, I don't like that so many innocent people all over that region are killed each day, but we cannot save them.

It was so obvious tonight during the debate that every one of them were choking on their words about the first question concerning better economic news with private job growth! Romney, especially had a hell of a time with having to acknowledge this and make a point that he was glad that some we finally getting jobs again (he isn't, it's a win for Obama). There was no way that any of them could have stood up there and slam the better (not as good as we need) job creation numbers- think of how the public would react to that! Rather amazing, as congressional republicans have done every thing possible to block any of the Dems/administrations ideas for job creation- and guess what- it is steadily improving! Makes me think about how much further we could be along if the jackasses had thought about the working and middle classes and not obstructed the various things that were put forth when both houses were held by the Democrats, but not by enough to get around all the damn filibustering by the GOP! There is probably not one other thing that peeves more than this because of how much people have been struggling and our own legislative body simply played politics.

This is where I see the main thrust of the Occupy movement playing a big role in identifying income disparity over not only the past decade, but over 30 years (Reagan "trickle-down" economic policies)- and where it's messages will ring in the ears of voters in November. I honestly believe that it, along with what Obama's administration has been able to do (including health care reform) will play a major role with the "common" electorate. Also, women and POC, especially our Latino populations will give Obama another 4 years.

However, it can't stop there. There are fundamental changes in all aspects of our economy, workers rights and the role of government as well as campaign finance reform that must be achieved. And please- make it so that Obama is able to make at least one more Supreme court nomination. By 2014, the mid-term elections have to end with Democrats and Independents (with liberal and progressive leanings that include radical environmental legislation, taking both houses to set the stage for what needs to be accomplished in the next administration and Congressional sessions for many years ahead. That's why I say patience.