Law and Order: SVU with Special Guest Kathy Griffin as lesbian

[T D]

I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure.

There's also a lesbian on Desperate Housewives now. She's an ex stripper/exotic dancer/lap dancer. I found this especially interesting because I've known a number of lesbians who were or are into this same profession. I've never quite understood how that happens, but I know for sure that it does.

We really are in every walk of life

[suebee]

Originally Posted by T D

I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure.

I'm hoping the fact that they included something so blatently homophobic is a sign that Olivia will coming over to our side.

[Soft*Silver]

WOW!!! Talk about a fantasy for us!

[Andrew, Jr.]

I really enjoy Law & Order: SVU so I am really looking forward to this show. I just hope that Kathy Griffin does us proud.

[Rook]

It's actually rather simple, as an ex told me...
They can stare, stuff the green in g-string, but no Touchy...not even for lapdance, if the client touches, the Dance is over{at least, in the place she was in}...
Bouncers make sure the rules are followed...
Once she gets dressed, walks out the doors, she leaves the Job where it belongs.
It can be rough, but Trust is tantamount for things to work with a Stripping girl...

Back to SVU, looking forward to it, my relatives often ask why do I watch it if some episodes can be Triggering..
I just shrug and tell them it's kind of therapeutic...

{btw, if Olivia comes "our" way, more reason to watch finally heh}

[Linus]

Originally Posted by T D

I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure.

There's also a lesbian on Desperate Housewives now. She's an ex stripper/exotic dancer/lap dancer. I found this especially interesting because I've known a number of lesbians who were or are into this same profession. I've never quite understood how that happens, but I know for sure that it does.

We really are in every walk of life

Ya but I think we're only seeing part of it and I suspect, when I think of the character (a straight character), it was probably a "knee-jerk" reaction. I'm hoping that she'll redeem herself later in the episode.

[Greyson]

I have never watched Law and Order. I did hear about the upcoming Lesbian character recently on a T.V. interview with Kathy Griffin.

I enjoy Kathy Griffins stand up routines. I am holding out hope that the lesbian character she is to portray will not be characterized as the mentally ill, wanton evil lesbian. At first glance of this clip, things don't look too good.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Greyson

I have never watched Law and Order. I did hear about the upcoming Lesbian character recently on a T.V. interview with Kathy Griffin.

I enjoy Kathy Griffins stand up routines. I am holding out hope that the lesbian character she is to portray will not be characterized as the mentally ill, wanton evil lesbian. At first glance of this clip, things don't look too good.

Ugh, me too!

Originally Posted by T D

I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure.

There's also a lesbian on Desperate Housewives now. She's an ex stripper/exotic dancer/lap dancer. I found this especially interesting because I've known a number of lesbians who were or are into this same profession. I've never quite understood how that happens, but I know for sure that it does.

We really are in every walk of life

[I]I]

Interesting.. I have too known a couple as well. I have wondered the same thing. But, seems that a lot of women do the stripper/exotic dancer thing while young to just make some good money (many college students). So, why wouldn't a lesbian when i really think about it. These dancers are really not prostitutes. So, like the other poster said, the whole sex with men (or just sex, period) thing isn't a factor.

[Dylan]

I don't like when straights play queers

Didn't like it in 'Milk', didn't like it on 'Will and Grace', didn't like it on that lesbian Showtime show, didn't like it on that gay Showtime show, and it appears, I won't like it here either.

There's plenty of queers to go around (oh mah lord, even into movies and television!)

It's insulting and privileged and homophobic


I'm Also Bothered By Law And Order SVU...But That's Another Story,
Dylan...crabby about the whole thing

[Cyclopea]

Well....there's a whole lotta buzz about Maristra Harkitray being a big ole closet case. A later-even-than-Jodi coming out situation. But I don't really see it.
What I see is a couple of hets putting on the lezface cluelessly for a bunch of clueless non-lesbians. What is it about lesbianism that makes non-lesbians feel so confident about portraying us, embodying us, exploiting us, co-opting us?

Oh right. The woman thing.

[suebee]

[QUOTE=Cyclopea;58124]Well....there's a whole lotta buzz about Maristra Harkitray being a big ole closet case. A later-even-than-Jodi coming out situation. But I don't really see it.
What I see is a couple of hets putting on the lezface cluelessly for a bunch of clueless non-lesbians. What is it about lesbianism that makes non-lesbians feel so confident about portraying us, embodying us, exploiting us, co-opting us?

Oh right. The woman thing.

QUOTE]

They're called "actors". Because they act. Nobody here would criticize a gay actor for portraying a straight person. C'mon!

[Diavolo]

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

They're called "actors". Because they act. Nobody here would criticize a gay actor for portraying a straight person. C'mon!

Doogie Hoozer (can't think of the guy's real name) is in "How I met your mother" and that boy is gay and out. I'm 100% with you on this one. It's acting.

I think a lot of these shows explore this sort of stuff not for ratings as much as to explore it within the art. The Law and Order franchise does a little of both.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

They're called "actors". Because they act. Nobody here would criticize a gay actor for portraying a straight person. C'mon!

By having the dominant group portray the oppressed group by 'acting', a number of oppressed groups have been misportrayed throughout centuries.

It was done with women (men playing women, aka drag); it was done with Black people (black face); it's done with differently abled people all the time; and it's now the rage to do it with queers. It's another subtle form of privilege and oppression. It plays off of stereotypes and perpetuates a negative image. It also keeps 'real' queers oppressed, by telling real queers they're not 'good enough' to even play queer. So, now we have hets exploiting and making money off of the queer community even more.




Dylan

[suebee]

Originally Posted by Dylan

By having the dominant group portray the oppressed group by 'acting', a number of oppressed groups have been misportrayed throughout centuries.

It was done with women (men playing women, aka drag); it was done with Black people (black face); it's done with differently abled people all the time; and it's now the rage to do it with queers. It's another subtle form of privilege and oppression. It plays off of stereotypes and perpetuates a negative image. It also keeps 'real' queers oppressed, by telling real queers they're not 'good enough' to even play queer. So, now we have hets exploiting and making money off of the queer community even more.




Dylan

Dylan, they are actors. They act. Inject political agenda into it if you want, but it just doesn't cut it. If Law and Order wants to turn a well-established, well-loved character into an openly gay person, then I'm all for it. It tells people that we're out there. Whether they KNOW they know queer people or not, we're out there, and we're in their lives. It tells them MUCH more than if they introduce another character that they DON'T already know, they DON'T already love, and shows them that our sexual orientation is but ONE aspect of who we are. It's an important aspect, but it makes ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE in how we do our jobs.

Now if you want to argue that an actor shouldn't be discriminated against BECAUSE he or she is gay, then that's a whole 'nother matter. But this thread is about an established character in one of the most popular shows on U.S. television possibly coming out as a lesbian. I fail to see how that's a bad thing, unless she grows a mullet and starts wearing Birkinstocks and insists that her squad car be only a Subaru or a Volvo.

End of mini rant.

[Luckydwg07]

Originally Posted by Cyclopea

Well....there's a whole lotta buzz about Maristra Harkitray being a big ole closet case. A later-even-than-Jodi coming out situation. But I don't really see it.
What I see is a couple of hets putting on the lezface cluelessly for a bunch of clueless non-lesbians. What is it about lesbianism that makes non-lesbians feel so confident about portraying us, embodying us, exploiting us, co-opting us?

Oh right. The woman thing.

I think she is just a lovely being and a whole latta lesbians wish she was a lesbian. I agree with the lezface lets face it the producers say jump & the actors say how high its a ratings game $$$$ shock-value sells. But no matter we still get air time for better or worse

[SassyLeo]

Originally Posted by Dylan

I don't like when straights play queers

Didn't like it in 'Milk', didn't like it on 'Will and Grace', didn't like it on that lesbian Showtime show, didn't like it on that gay Showtime show, and it appears, I won't like it here either.

There's plenty of queers to go around (oh mah lord, even into movies and television!)

It's insulting and privileged and homophobic


I'm Also Bothered By Law And Order SVU...But That's Another Story,
Dylan...crabby about the whole thing

Bummer you couldn't appreciate how fucking amazing Sean Penn was in Milk.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by SassyLeo

Bummer you couldn't appreciate how fucking amazing Sean Penn was in Milk.

I thought he did a great job

However, I don't like when straights play queer. There's plenty of queers who can act...yet here's a straight guy winning an academy award for playing queer. It's insulting to queers. All of the major actors in that movie were straight, and that's bothersome to me.


Dylan

[Write14u]

Hmmm, I tend to get my L&O: SVU on re-runs, but I might have to check this one out live. I looooovvveee Mariska Hargitay. The only person I adore more on the TV screen is Melina Kanakaredes, who plays Stella on CSI:NY. (mmmm).

And just from that bit...wow, they're really setting it up as freaking Olivia out because her reaction doesn't seem typical of her character. (At least what it's showing in that little bit).

Dylan, what don't you like about this show? (Not the specific episode?)

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Write14u

Dylan, what don't you like about this show? (Not the specific episode?)

I'm a huge Law & Order fan, but I think L&OSVU perpetuates violence against women by desensitizing people to rape and violence against women. It's quite bothersome to me.


Dylan

[Semantics]

Originally Posted by T D

I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure.

There's also a lesbian on Desperate Housewives now. She's an ex stripper/exotic dancer/lap dancer. I found this especially interesting because I've known a number of lesbians who were or are into this same profession. I've never quite understood how that happens, but I know for sure that it does.
We really are in every walk of life

Well, I don't think that many women, queer or straight, go into that profession to find potential dates so I'm not sure what sexuality has to do with it.