It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[DeanRobert]

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

Dude..

No one is attacking you.....

Are we passionate? yes...

Jesus I get so tired of the fucking my friends said I would get attacked *whine*.. No one is picking on you, like you we state our voice and experiences..

Why people are on this site that are back hand warning folks is beyond me.... Why be here then?

end of my fucking rant..

[Apocalipstic]

I certainly am sorry if you or anyone feels attacked because I disagree with you DeanRobert.

But I have to ask, is this therapy? Are we trying to make each other feel good, or are we having a serious discussion here? Is the water too hot?

I agree that boycotting a state is logistically problematic, but I think the point was and is that we are opposed to this obvious example of racial profiling.

My airbags were manufactured in Canada by Union Auto Workers, By the way.

[The_Lady_Snow]

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Artist...1948532?v=wall

[Soon]

Arizona Legalizes Racial Profiling


Submitted by Sean Price on April 23, 2010

Hundreds of high school and college students gathered around the state capitol in Phoenix, Arizona, on Friday. They were there to convince Gov. Jan Brewer to veto Senate Bill 1070. These young protesters were disappointed though. Brewer signed the bill and instantly set back relations between whites and Latinos in Arizona and other parts of the country.

The law is designed to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants. As outlined by The New York Times:

The police would be authorized to arrest immigrants unable to show documents allowing them to be in the country and the legislation would leave drivers open to sanctions … for knowingly transporting an illegal immigrant, even a relative. It expressly forbids cities from adopting “sanctuary” policies that restrict the police and public workers from immigration enforcement….

In other words, Arizona cops now have a green light for racial profiling—unless anyone seriously thinks that an Irish national with blonde hair and blue eyes who is in Arizona illegally will receive the same scrutiny as an Arizona-born American with darker features.

It was no accident that so many high school students protested the new law. They will be directly affected. Young people are often the chief targets of racial profiling. And this law will almost surely split up families. In many cases, young people who are U.S. citizens have one or both parents who are undocumented workers. These families already cope with enormous economic pressure. The Arizona law will almost surely ratchet up their misery. But since undocumented workers are often driven here by far greater dangers and economic pressures, the law is unlikely to do anything to slow down the flow of illegal immigration.

Opponents are lining up to attack the new law on constitutional grounds. But even if the challenges succeed, the poison has already been introduced to the state’s racial climate. Gov. Brewer argued that new methods of police training would keep police officers from abusing the law. “I will not tolerate racial discrimination or racial profiling in Arizona,” she declared. If that’s the case, she shouldn’t have signed a law that guarantees it will happen.

By the way, educators who’d like to discuss racial profiling in the classroom can use this Teaching Tolerance lesson, which defines it and explains why the subject is so important.

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P.S. Interesting range of post-article comments.

[Apocalipstic]

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

I can't imagine ANYONE's entity being about hate....

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by apocalipstic

This is so sad.

and she says God told her to do these things.

Any time someone who is not a politician or person of influence says that, they bring the men with the white jackets.

[Queerasfck]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert;94302.

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apretty:[/B] You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent.

Awesome, by playing 'guess my girlfriend's race' you made her day. Thank you!

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

UofMfan, I was simply addressing and answering the questions that Apretty had asked me and in return asked her where were the vioces and protests when the orgininal statutes went into law several years ago. SB1070 is simply adding to these already existing laws. It was not met for all of you to answer a second time. {shaking my head} Keeping in mind none of you answerd that question.

I have heard a lot of horror stories over the years. I do not doubt that they happened or do still happen to this day It seems to me that since I am simply trying to voice my opinion here.
If I were to start a thread for those whom are in favor of this bill, you all would be posting your opinions there too. There are two sides to every thing that happens and I had not seen anyone trying to voice the other side.

I will state this again, as many of you just arn't comprehending what I had said. I believe this bill will lead to racial profiling.!

apretty: You asked me to walk you through this thought process. I am not speaking of oppression here. I agree that oppression exists to this very day.
You are very loudly voicing your opinions here and have made it very clear that you are of Hispanic descent. You brought into this the term “brown skinned people” not me. I am simply asking you, where were you or the Hispanic population voices and protests when the original parts of this bill were signed into law several years ago.
Maybe if there had been the protests and loud voices then we would not be here today as the state divided that we are.

I was born in Flagstaff and raised here. So for a little more than 40 years this has been my home. I have seen many changes in the valley and the state. Some for the good and some for the bad.
I sit here willing to listening to both sides of this debate I have not made a decision as to exactly which side I will take, and am trying to keep an open mind.

I was put on notice by several of my friends that come into this site and others that if I posted my thoughts and feelingshere I would be attacked and that is just what has happened.

To those of you that will participate in the boycotts think about this:

Don't buy that new car you want, why??? All of the airbags in that new car are manufactured right here in Arizona.

If you are in law enforcement or carry a tazer, don't use it, its manufactured right here in Arizona.

Thinking of buying a new computer, make sure it doesn't have an INTEL processor, yes they to are manufactured here.

OK so I am really trying here. But the underlined part of your post doesn't make any sense to me.

First you said it wasn't met (sic) for us, then you said none of us answered it. Forgive me if I come across as being stupid, I assure you I am not, but I am having problem with your logic there.

Also, as a side note, it seems to me that you want to engage only with apretty, at least this is my observation.

The bold part of your post seems to imply that we, the collective us on this thread, must be a bunch of morons because we and I quote, "just arn't (sic) comprehending what I had said". Truth is I got that loud and clear, along with all the other points you have made.

The red part of your post almost made me flinch, thank God for the ability to walk away and take a breath.

So what if apretty is? To my knowledge she isn't, but what do I know? And if she is, what exactly are you trying to infer with your comment? I really would like to know before I move forward with that piece of your post. I mean REALLY would like to know. Then you go on and ask the same question that I addressed. Clearly you are only interested in eliciting a response from apretty. If that is the case, why not take it elsewhere?

The yellow part of your post doesn't ring true to me. I may be wrong.

The blue part. Really? Are you kidding me? And here I thought we were engaging in a heated conversation. It looks from my side that you are the one who came in here with some sort of agenda. Again, my observation.

And as far as your advice to those who will participate on the boycott, I have to say this:

I have a laptop with a AMD processor, in addition, my nephew who works for Intel says they are manufactured in several places, so what is your point?

As for Tazers, they should be banned, so yay, let's boycott them anyway.

And excuse me for pointing this out, but airbags, like the Intel chip, are also manufactured elsewhere.

I say that if you are truly interested in debate, then come back and engage with us. But if your intentions are to elicit some sort of knee jerk response from apretty, and now some of us, then I say why bother.