It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[DeanRobert]

You know I find one thing just totally unbelievable that is the way people just attack one another solely based on the color of their skin. When I look at someone of color I do not see hatred, I see a person.

To answer your questions Apretty:{ not that I have too.}

1. I do have opinions about this bill. I choose not to voice them here. I will choose a side when I see or hear something that brings all of this together for me. As to the color of my skin does that rally matter to you? Your skin color does not matter to me. This comment is totally racist to me, unbelievable.
2. No where in my post did I ask you to do any research for me. I am very capable of doing this on my own.
3. You use the wording “brown skin” maybe your so upset about this simply because the highest populace of illegal immigrants in the united states is of Hispanic decent and crossed of the border in one of the 4 border states. No other comment is required here.
4. I never once said that you had not read this bill nor did you not understand it.
5. Been there done that.
6. If you had read my post I do believe this bill will lead to racial profiling there are bad apples in all the police departments.
7. agreed too
8. First off, the shitty car that you refer too in my company vehicle. And yes I was profiled during that time maybe not for the color of my skin but by driving a vehicle that is often used in smuggling illegal’s.{ look at the shuttle companies that were just busted here. They used the same type of vehicle.}
9. I just found this site so hence the join date. Which I mind you that date is before this subject ever became an issue. As to the two posts here. This is a thread that I felt I wanted to post in. Knowing that what I was posting I would be attacked; just as you are doing to me now. Jezzz thought I was welcome to post in any of the threads. You have the right to your opinion just as I do to mine. So at this point lets agree to disagree. I will not allow you to bait me into a fight of words and anger.
10. ROFL, yes we have met and yes we did discuss many of your political views that night. In fact you were in a very heated discussion with my partner that night.


You didn’t answer my question in my post. So I will ask it again.

Where was the “brown skinned peoples” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law?

[DeanRobert]

The people in Arizona that are awaiting deportation trials are housed in a privately run prison in Florance. Yes the state receives federal funds, and whrere to the federal funds come from, us the taxpayer.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

The people in Arizona that are awaiting deportation trials are housed in a privately run prison in Florance. Yes the state receives federal funds, and whrere to the federal funds come from, us the taxpayer.

Ah so it's big business to hold brown skinned folks in Private PRISON, for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lovely. Does this not smack of Naziism at all to you?
"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it." G.S.

[PapaC]

Originally Posted by Corkey

Ah so it's big business to hold brown skinned folks in Private PRISON, for the crime of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Lovely. Does this not smack of Naziism at all to you?
"Those who forget the past are bound to repeat it." G.S.

TY Corkey, I posted that quote on Facebook just yesterday.

It's a good one.

[Diva]

Two years ago, I was pulled over for speeding. (After 25+ years of not having gotten a ticket, it was upsetting, to say the least.)

But the thing more upsetting than that? I had my BF in the car with me ~ a Latino transguy ~ who froze. Was He legal? Yeah. But His fear ~ putting His hands on His thighs (in plain sight of the officer so ~ I found out later ~ it wouldn't be assumed He had a weapon in His possession...........WTF?!?!) and kept His eyes straight ahead so as not to make contact with the officer. He didn't want any kind of confrontation as to why a Latino guy was in the car with a white woman. (Call me naive, but it never occurred to ME that there could BE a problem with something like that!)

Just writing this, I have a knot in my stomach remembering His reaction to MY getting stopped.......and I'm as white as they come (Scot/Irish), but it brought to me a new appreciation (and awareness) for what my Latino brothers and sisters feel about this AZ situation.

And the whole thing smacks of "Good ol' Republican white boy" mentality. It makes me sick.

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by Diva

Two years ago, I was pulled over for speeding. (After 25+ years of not having gotten a ticket, it was upsetting, to say the least.)

But the thing more upsetting than that? I had my BF in the car with me ~ a Latino transguy ~ who froze. Was He legal? Yeah. But His fear ~ putting His hands on His thighs (in plain sight of the officer so ~ I found out later ~ it wouldn't be assumed He had a weapon in His possession...........WTF?!?!) and kept His eyes straight ahead so as not to make contact with the officer. He didn't want any kind of confrontation as to why a Latino guy was in the car with a white woman. (Call me naive, but it never occurred to ME that there could BE a problem with something like that!)

Just writing this, I have a knot in my stomach remembering His reaction to MY getting stopped.......and I'm as white as they come (Scot/Irish), but it brought to me a new appreciation (and awareness) for what my Latino brothers and sisters feel about this AZ situation.

And the whole thing smacks of "Good ol' Republican white boy" mentality. It makes me sick.

Here, another example.

Think, what if it were me. What if I had to be afraid 100% of the time that I might get picked up and taken to jail or worse for my skin color.

What about if you had kids who always forget their stuff....what happens the day they forget their "papers"?

Do White Republican Children have to carry their "papers" around?

What if it were you? Your kid, your Mom, your boyfriend...YOU.

What if you ran to the corner store to get an ice cream and forgot your papers?

I have lived like this, in Argentina. When I was a kid during the Peron years and then military goverment when people dissapeared right and left, I had to carry my "papers" all the time.

Pretty creepy actually.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

Where was the “brown skinned peoples” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law?

i'll respond to all your post tomorrow, but i am incredulous about this thought process, 'where was the brown skin peoples' voice...'

so what? you keep down a people long enough and they should just get used to it, move aside, what? i can't understand how what *was* then oppression, makes what is oppression NOW, okay? would you walk me through that, please?

thanks.

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by DeanRobert

You know I find one thing just totally unbelievable that is the way people just attack one another solely based on the color of their skin. When I look at someone of color I do not see hatred, I see a person.

To answer your questions Apretty:{ not that I have too.}

1. I do have opinions about this bill. I choose not to voice them here. I will choose a side when I see or hear something that brings all of this together for me. As to the color of my skin does that rally matter to you? Your skin color does not matter to me. This comment is totally racist to me, unbelievable.
2. No where in my post did I ask you to do any research for me. I am very capable of doing this on my own.
3. You use the wording “brown skin” maybe your so upset about this simply because the highest populace of illegal immigrants in the united states is of Hispanic decent and crossed of the border in one of the 4 border states. No other comment is required here.
4. I never once said that you had not read this bill nor did you not understand it.
5. Been there done that.
6. If you had read my post I do believe this bill will lead to racial profiling there are bad apples in all the police departments.
7. agreed too
8. First off, the shitty car that you refer too in my company vehicle. And yes I was profiled during that time maybe not for the color of my skin but by driving a vehicle that is often used in smuggling illegal’s.{ look at the shuttle companies that were just busted here. They used the same type of vehicle.}
9. I just found this site so hence the join date. Which I mind you that date is before this subject ever became an issue. As to the two posts here. This is a thread that I felt I wanted to post in. Knowing that what I was posting I would be attacked; just as you are doing to me now. Jezzz thought I was welcome to post in any of the threads. You have the right to your opinion just as I do to mine. So at this point lets agree to disagree. I will not allow you to bait me into a fight of words and anger.
10. ROFL, yes we have met and yes we did discuss many of your political views that night. In fact you were in a very heated discussion with my partner that night.


You didn’t answer my question in my post. So I will ask it again.

Where was the “brown skinned peoples” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law?

DeanRobert, you have asked this question twice, and although you haven't asked me directly, I will address it, as I find it mind blogging.

You asking this question is the equivalent of anyone asking: Where was the “gay people's” voice when the original statutes were being written and signed into law, regarding DOMA/Same Sex Marriage, etc?

Now I can change that question with many other minorities if you wish. At this time I am going to just leave it to see if sinks in.

[The_Lady_Snow]

Dean Robert.

I want to share something with you, it's personal, and a lil painful but maybe it will help you understand that just because they say they do things legally (and when I mean they, I meant border patrol or any cops) it can also lead to...

ready for this

LIES...

My mother till last year was not a US Citizen, she was legally residing here, but her original country of origin is Mexico.. She crossed them illegal perimeters many many a time during my youth...

Once, during them crossings, they got her, some border patrol guys, her and a couple friends.. They did not *detain* them at some building, no, no, no
they gave my mom and her friends special accomidations in the middle of some desert in Arizona..

*I* am a fucking 40 year walking reminder of that time for my mom. (mom is catholic does not do abortion)

So. with that tid bit out there....

I want to share something with you...

If you put down a people long enough can call them roaches, garbage, a burden to this country you will learn to just be quiet and avoid anything that has to do with any kind of law enforcement. (including voting) My mother is a strong ass woman, but lemme tell you nothing breaks her down like the sight of a cop, we talked a bit on her birthday about the AZ thing, I can hear it in her voice the terror.. I am so glad she does not live anywhere near that state..

When I was 15 my mother bumped a car with hers at church, in the parking lot, my dad was out of town on TDY, Arabia I believe don't remember why.

We hid, I shit you not my mother panicked, cause she thought the cops would take her we hid out at stores, and I finally talked her into going home. So you see it is easy to scare people, it's easy to make someone feel unwanted and unwelcomed, and it's easy to terrorize a people..

*I* personally, hate being pulled over, cops are right up there with clowns and spiders, they set off panic in me...

So your thoughts that people are being detained in pretty prison cells is not always true.....

What this woman has done, is put a target on people who are not *white*. So who are they gonna pull over?

Native Americans they have dark skin

Persians they too have dark skins

Chicanos they tooooooo have dark skin

when does it end? So what I see is unless you white.... You can safely drive around the state.. Hasn't it always been like this though?

It's a fucked up law Dean Robert....

How you don't see that is beyond me.......

[Apocalipstic]

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow

Dean Robert.

I want to share something with you, it's personal, and a lil painful but maybe it will help you understand that just because they say they do things legally (and when I mean they, I meant border patrol or any cops) it can also lead to...

ready for this

LIES...

My mother till last year was not a US Citizen, she was legally residing here, but her original country of origin is Mexico.. She crossed them illegal perimeters many many a time during my youth...

Once, during them crossings, they got her, some border patrol guys, her and a couple friends.. They did not *detain* them at some building, no, no, no
they gave my mom and her friends special accomidations in the middle of some desert in Arizona..

*I* am a fucking 40 year walking reminder of that time for my mom. (mom is catholic does not do abortion)

So. with that tid bit out there....

I want to share something with you...

If you put down a people long enough can call them roaches, garbage, a burden to this country you will learn to just be quiet and avoid anything that has to do with any kind of law enforcement. (including voting) My mother is a strong ass woman, but lemme tell you nothing breaks her down like the sight of a cop, we talked a bit on her birthday about the AZ thing, I can hear it in her voice the terror.. I am so glad she does not live anywhere near that state..

When I was 15 my mother bumped a car with hers at church, in the parking lot, my dad was out of town on TDY, Arabia I believe don't remember why.

We hid, I shit you not my mother panicked, cause she thought the cops would take her we hid out at stores, and I finally talked her into going home. So you see it is easy to scare people, it's easy to make someone feel unwanted and unwelcomed, and it's easy to terrorize a people..

*I* personally, hate being pulled over, cops are right up there with clowns and spiders, they set off panic in me...

So your thoughts that people are being detained in pretty prison cells is not always true.....

What this woman has done, is put a target on people who are not *white*. So who are they gonna pull over?

Native Americans they have dark skin

Persians they too have dark skins

Chicanos they tooooooo have dark skin

when does it end? So what I see is unless you white.... You can safely drive around the state.. Hasn't it always been like this though?

It's a fucked up law Dean Robert....

How you don't see that is beyond me.......

Thank you so much for posting this Snow! I know it is very personal and difficult to talk about.

It tells the truth about how one family has interacted with the border guards and with the people who are supposed to protect us and why many people do not trust the police.

Until we all remember that we are speaking of people just like us who did not take leaving their families and homes lightly to come to the USA. Just like so many of our ancestors did to be hated just like they were. We have no more right to this land than anyone else does. We are a nation or immigrants. Read about what people said about the Irish, the Italians, the Polish when they arrived here...same exact stuff.

My heart breaks for the 1000's who year who don't make it, who die trying to get here to make a better life for themselves and their families.

This governor says she is on a mission from God to fix things, to stop illegal immigration, to stop partner benefits. I hope this will be a huge wake up call to the rest of the country that this is not acceptable, and that the Federal Government needs to step in. I am very sad that she was next in line to follow the former governor.

Love your fellow human, know that we are all One and that we all deserve dignity and respect.

This law is racist at it's core and need to to be struck down.