It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[UofMfan]

I am sorry, I just have to add. Legal Residents are not allowed to vote, doing so is a Federal crime.

Just because you can get a driver's license it does not mean you can vote. You have to register to vote in order to get a voter's registration card. Such registration requires that you show documents that prove you were either born in the US or became a nationalized citizen.

This is a Federal law!

[Jess]

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

[Hack]

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

[apretty]

Originally Posted by Hack

I was at the gym earlier this evening and caught a snippet on CNN about swastikas being smeared on the Arizona capitol building. I couldn't locate the story just now on the CNN website.

Any further developments?

it was, in BEANS--i think they're calling it graffiti.

[Dylan]

Originally Posted by Jess

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

This is such a derail, but after your last two posts, I'm getting the impression you're under the impression becoming a citizen is just a matter of a few forms, and then voila!

Am I misreading you?

Also though, when your grandparents came through Ellis Island there were racist laws in place ensuring we didn't let certain groups of people into this country.


Dylan Dyrailer

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by Jess

It's Federal law, but it happens..

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110010814

Huge concern has been placed upon the access of drivers licenses and the "motor voter" laws made by Clinton. No one checks citizenship when they hit the "ok".

I am still not sure why non-citizens are given a drivers license without the pre-requisite drivers education courses we all had to take in high school.

I am not saying anything like toss em out. I am saying .. by all means make it easier to become a citizen. Have your background checked and sign in like my grandparents did at Ellis Island.

It happens, it is illegal.

As a former Florida resident I know for a fact that they checked and do so even know, for proof of citizenship or legal residence before issuing a driver's license. I can only speak from experience in that State.

Also, in FL, non-citizens do have to take the same pre-requisite driving courses citizens do. I am wondering what State you speak of where this is happening. I find it difficult, albeit not impossible, to believe.

I wish it were as easy to become a US citizen as it was back in your grandparents day. Or maybe, I wish those people who did become citizens back then would no have selected memory.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Dylan

This is such a derail, but after your last two posts, I'm getting the impression you're under the impression becoming a citizen is just a matter of a few forms, and then voila!

Am I misreading you?

Also though, when you're grandparents came through Ellis Island there were racist laws in place ensuring we didn't let certain groups of people into this country.


Dylan Dyrailer

The latter is very true. Why so many people slightly changed the spellings of their surnames. I do not disagree.

My point is, we have made things so much more complicated by "disallowing" folks that we have woven a nasty web for ourselves to be free of. It could have been as simple as filling out a name/ origin/ parental info, etc. But now, folks have to jump through so many hoops to become "legal" here.,

The ironies of our "system" glare at every turn. And ya know.. sometimes things "are" just as simple as the stroke of a pen. Clinton stroked one to make DADT a law. Bush stroked one to go do some shock and awe. Why can't Obama strike one to say that was some bullshit?

It really should be as simple as a few forms... should it not? What do folks of foreign birth have to go through to prove themselves "worthy" ?

Not arguing... just trying to see stuff for what it is, like most everyone out there. Giving government the excuse of "it's more complicated than that" will do nothing but continue to allow them to oppress everyone fighting for a little piece of the pie.

[Toughy]

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........

[Dylan]

You have to be a citizen in Texas to get a license (you *might* be able to have a greencard and some other paperwork, but I know you have to have some sort of something from social security...was just at the DMV last week and overheard a whole conversation between DPS Lady and GuyInFrontOfMe), and if you're under a certain age, you have to take a driver's ed course and pass that class to get a driver's license.

We also now list your race on your DL


Dylan Dyrailer II

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

The new brown voters are legal voters.........even the ones she tossed out were legal voters.....remember the hanging chads of FL and the purging of voter rolls in FL prior to the 2000 elections....same shit different state

As Corkey said.........non-citizens are not allowed to vote in any election anywhere in the country.

You don't have to take any kind of driver's education course to get a driver's license. (You took driver's ed so your parents would pay less than both arms and legs when they put you on their car insurance). You take a written test and a driving test. You pass both you get a license if you have proof of car insurance. What does citizenship have to do with a driver's license? They are separate things.

You don't have to have a driver's license to register to vote. If that was true most of NYC could not register to vote.

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DeanRobert............ya might want to go back and read more carefully.............I posted the link to the AZ legislature website that contained the official summary of the bill and you could also read the entire bill.

I find nothing at all in the legislation that has any merit at all...........nothing........nada.........immigrat ion is a federal responsibility.........

Actually as a resident of VA you do have to take drivers ed or wait til you are 18 to get a license. Sorry, you not being a resident wouldn't know that. and yes, higher insurance premiums are a punishment for not doing so.
Not saying you have to have a license to vote. Saying that with the passing of motor voter folks are automatically prompted to register to vote upon receipt of a license. That is not checked for citizenship at the level of the DMV office. Besides, if someone has a valid address, it is passed. We had many many cases of it happen in Richmond. So, please do not tell me what you have read when I know what I have seen. Up close, in person.


It's kind of hard to say what someone in a state feels that you don't live in and experience everyday. Reading the legislation doesn't always reflect the feelings of all the residents of that particular state.

[Corkey]

In every state I've ever been in, and there have been many, one needs birth certificate, ssoc card, two photo id's, one will do if other forms are present, ie: DD214, utility bill. One must present a valid birth certificate to register to vote to the DMV. It must have the raised seal of the state of birth. So if your state isn't following the Federal laws of voter registration I would suggest you bring it up when you see it happening.

[betenoire]

Honestly, though. I would probably faint from shock if so much as ONE white person gets randomly asked to show their papers.

Well - maybe in the early days of the legislation they'll ask a few white people. Make a good show of it. "SEE? We asked that there redhead to show us his birth certificate!" But that'll die down quickly.

I bet I, as a pasty red-headed Canadian with freckles, could probably go to AZ and stay there indefinitely and -never- get noticed. Sure, I've got a funny accent - but I'd just tell people I'm from Wisconsin.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

In every state I've ever been in, and there have been many, one needs birth certificate, ssoc card, two photo id's, one will do if other forms are present, ie: DD214, utility bill. One must present a valid birth certificate to register to vote to the DMV. It must have the raised seal of the state of birth. So if your state isn't following the Federal laws of voter registration I would suggest you bring it up when you see it happening.

and the last time I went to renew my license and my birth certificate was question cause the damned "embossed" symbol was worn thin due to keeping it in my wallet for 40 friggen years.. I did. I figure if I was born on a naval base in SC and have to show 87 pieces of proof then everyone should. I also think it is ridiculous.

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

and the last time I went to renew my license and my birth certificate was question cause the damned "embossed" symbol was worn thin due to keeping it in my wallet for 40 friggen years.. I did. I figure if I was born on a naval base in SC and have to show 87 pieces of proof then everyone should. I also think it is ridiculous.

While I think 87 is tad much, have you thought about getting a new one?
I had to because like I said, lost my home, took 6 weeks and $18 to the state of my birth, but it's raised alright.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by betenoire

Honestly, though. I would probably faint from shock if so much as ONE white person gets randomly asked to show their papers.

Well - maybe in the early days of the legislation they'll ask a few white people. Make a good show of it. "SEE? We asked that there redhead to show us his birth certificate!" But that'll die down quickly.

I bet I, as a pasty red-headed Canadian with freckles, could probably go to AZ and stay there indefinitely and -never- get noticed. Sure, I've got a funny accent - but I'd just tell people I'm from Wisconsin.

bian bilbray (R-Ca) says it's not racial profiling it's SHOES:

MATTHEWS: Like what, like what? Give me a non-ethnic aspect that would tell you to pick up somebody.

BILBRAY: They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there’s different type of attire, there’s different type of…right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes. But mostly by behavior it’s mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, DC does it based on certain criminal activity there is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board and this group shouldn’t be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/22/...y-immigration/

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

While I think 87 is tad much, have you thought about getting a new one?
I had to because like I said, lost my home, took 6 weeks and $18 to the state of my birth, but it's raised alright.

Yeah, finally. Old dogs don't so much like the new tricks. I could never figure out why when we hand over our old license THAT didn't count as a source of ID.. WTF? YOU issued it! Ya know?? der...

[UofMfan]

Originally Posted by apretty

bian bilbray (R-Ca) says it's not racial profiling it's SHOES:

MATTHEWS: Like what, like what? Give me a non-ethnic aspect that would tell you to pick up somebody.

BILBRAY: They will look at the kind of dress you wear, there’s different type of attire, there’s different type of…right down to the shoes, right down to the clothes. But mostly by behavior it’s mostly behavior, just as the law enforcement people here in Washington, DC does it based on certain criminal activity there is behavior things that professionals are trained in across the board and this group shouldn’t be exempt from those observations as much as anybody else.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/04/22/...y-immigration/

I know, when I read that crap I almost fell off my chair. How do these jokers get elected? Oh wait, by like minded people.

[apretty]

Originally Posted by UofMfan

I know, when I read that crap I almost fell off my chair. How do these jokers get elected? Oh wait, by like minded people.

and that's in my beloved california...

i have to get outta here but i was recalling prop 187 in california from years ago, i think it was similar.. gray davis? will be back later

[Toughy]

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

I still remember my DL #. Yep every time I moved back I got the same #.