It's Time to Boycott Arizona

[Toughy]

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

I still remember my DL #. Yep every time I moved back I got the same #.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Toughy

I've had a driver's license for so long it's scary.

Jess........I assumed you were talking adults concerning driver's ed courses based on your entire post.

When I moved back to NM for a while, I took my CA license into DMV with a bank statement to prove my residence, took the written test and got a license.

When I moved back to CA (4 or 5 years later), I went to DMV, showed my NM license and a bank statement and utility bill....took the written test and they gave me a CA license with the same DL number I had when I had lived in CA before...........seems you are in the CA DMV computer forever....laughin....

I think it was a tad easier prior to around 2005 ( or there abouts) when they stopped using SSN as your DLN. DLN are now issued that aren't SSN. It was about this same time that proof of ID became more detailed. At least, in my state.

[Medusa]

Found this article on Huffington Post this morning:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_553351.html

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by Medusa

Found this article on Huffington Post this morning:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_553351.html

Thanks-

Interesting take on this in relationship to Barry Goldwater. Police State rings true for me...

[Corkey]

Originally Posted by Jess

I think it was a tad easier prior to around 2005 ( or there abouts) when they stopped using SSN as your DLN. DLN are now issued that aren't SSN. It was about this same time that proof of ID became more detailed. At least, in my state.

I've had my DL since I was 16 years old, my SSN has never been in any state my DL #. Proof of ID became harder after 911, for obvious reasons. SSN numbers aren't supposed to be use for anything more than a tracking number for social security and the IRS. This is where our identity rights get muddled. For years now, medical, background checks and other forms now require your SSN. Your SSN is supposed to remain confidential, much like your mothers maiden name at banks and credit unions. Just makes identity theft all the more risky.

[Jess]

Originally Posted by Corkey

I've had my DL since I was 16 years old, my SSN has never been in any state my DL #. Proof of ID became harder after 911, for obvious reasons. SSN numbers aren't supposed to be use for anything more than a tracking number for social security and the IRS. This is where our identity rights get muddled. For years now, medical, background checks and other forms now require your SSN. Your SSN is supposed to remain confidential, much like your mothers maiden name at banks and credit unions. Just makes identity theft all the more risky.

Right. This is why I think VA along with the other states who used to use it changed their practices.

[suebee]

Interviewer: "Is the new law in Arizona racist?"

Guest: "Not if you're the right race."


A side note: As much as I disagree with this law, for anyone living in Arizona: a simple and inexpensive way to protect yourself by carrying the proper identification is to obtain a passport card. Unlike a passport, the passport card fits in your wallet like any other piece of I.D., and costs much less than a passport.

[Bit]

Originally Posted by Hack

I'd be interested in knowing if law enforcement groups endorsed this new law or were they opposed to it?

Cowboy Hitler Arpaio is certainly in favor of it.

Originally Posted by cybersuebee

A side note: As much as I disagree with this law, for anyone living in Arizona: a simple and inexpensive way to protect yourself by carrying the proper identification is to obtain a passport card. Unlike a passport, the passport card fits in your wallet like any other piece of I.D., and costs much less than a passport.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.

I don't remember now who it was that said Arpaio's run as sherrif is done, but be CAREFUL what you ask for. He could be the next governor. Any state that could elect Evan Meacham could EASILY elect a rhinestone cowboy who says he'll make everyone "safe." He keeps getting re-elected as sheriff because the people who bother to vote believe him, so yanno... he's in your future unless a pretty huge group of people gets it together and votes him out.

[Martina]

i read the Linda Greenhouse piece. Thank you, Medusa. i kinda like the idea of everyone who wants to protest the law wearing a button that says, "i may be illegal."

Do you think people are going to expect police to stop folks randomly? If that starts, there are going to be some violent encounters -- and for what?

That was interesting -- in the article -- about how little stood between this country educating students who aren't citizens and not. So many of my students are not citizens. One of my seniors who isn't a citizen is going to graduate with a diploma this JUne. This is a Special Ed kid -- from Richmond. His brother got senselessly murdered earlier in the year. Not the easiest life. AND he has a learning disability. And guess what? He's graduating. AND he will become an auto mechanic. We should be grateful that he's here. How many of us could have lived his life and done all the has done so far even?

[suebee]

Sorry to burst your bubble, Sue, but that just isn't true. NOTHING will protect Arizonans who have the wrong skin color or last name---nothing. They will be racially profiled just as they have been for the past century.

The only difference is that now it's legal, so the profiling will step up several notches.


No bubble to burst Cath. Just sharing some info that might prevent someone being taken to a immigration detention centre if they ARE stopped.