PC: to be or not to be

storyspinner70 · 11-23-2015, 12:32 PM

I think that the thing most people object to when it comes to being called "pc" is that Politically Correct most often means not saying what you actually want to say because you'll be considered gauche, racist or archaic. It, like most things in our world, has been twisted into a shadow of what it may have started out as.

For example, if you see a child with Down's and it takes effort to not break out the "r" word because you know someone is going to be outraged by that, or you'll LOOK like you're an asshole, but that's the only reason you're whipping out the "differently abled" instead? It's lip service at best, and you're still not addressing the root problem - a child with Down's should just be a child to you like any other. At the core, isn't that disingenuous at best?

And, frankly, in the states anyway, we've become such a litigious society that people have become afraid to say or do things for fear of being sued by someone. Everyone is so eager anymore to be offended, it's becoming impossible to express an opinion without being attacked for it. I have zero problem with that, but people are being cowed into silence because of things like that. And that's never cool.

As for me, I'd rather you look me in the face and say, "Damn, you're a CUNxtTuesday" than to fill my ears with what you think you should say and hate me while you do it. So, I'm a firm advocate for using the politically correct terms, but you're a hypocrite to do it just because you feel you need to not to look like an asshole with no concept of what the foundation of being PC is really about.

Speaking of assholes, Trump isn't being some champion for truth and honesty when he spouts his nonsense freely in the name of "banishing political correctness". He's just doing what is his right - saying whatever he wants whenever he wants to. Dust off the extremely thin layer of righteousness, and he's still just an asshole with a ton of money and the freedom of speech we all enjoy.

So, really, for me...be PC if you want...be outrageous if you want...but be genuine. Be real. Let the chips fall where they may, but be you.

Oh and Grainne, you are very correct, that quote was never Voltaire, but Evelyn Beatrice Hall (as Stephen G. Tallentyre) writing about Voltaire's purported attitude.

Angeltoes · 11-23-2015, 01:25 PM

It's no surprise that people have ugly thoughts what's different now is that historically this country has never given such a wide platform to lunatics before. The term itself has morphed into something negative only because Conservatives in the 1990's started associating it with Communism.

Example: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/28/we...pagewanted=all

imperfect_cupcake · 11-23-2015, 03:25 PM

I have a dark, sarcastic, sharp sense of humour. I enjoy being called names as a form or endearment. People teased me and called me "Moose Flaps Morgan" (flaps are vagina lips and moose was because I'm Canuck) when I first went to the UK. If I showed upset and offence, they would have hit me harder and constantly. Instead, I insulted back and laughed. And learned abut a different way to express humour and to understand *intent* rather than form. I know a shit ton neo-liberal middle class white faux lesbian gals who are verbally PC but are horrid, horrid bitches when it comes to anything they don't want in their own back yard.

Intent is a lot. But that requires trusting the person and knowing what their intent is. That means if one of my mates yells "hey slag!" To me on the street, I'll grin and waggle my butt and run over and hug them. If someone I don't know says something similar, they are going to get a new one ripped about understanding slut shaming. Because I don't know what their intent is. How the fuck would I know?? That's why posting on a forum where you don't know folks, having a change of tact is usually indicative of emotional intelligence.

I'm not all that fussed about offending people that I do. However, I'm willing to have a conversation about what they have an issue with. Their emotional response is their own. That's their biz. But if they have a critical thinking point, I'll be interested in that. Someone trying to shut down a conversation by saying "I'm offended"
God for you. And? Do you have a reason and a point to go with that?

And the offhand remark of "PC police" or "PC gone crazy" means that no critical thinking, intelligent conversation will follow. Because the term is ment to dismiss any conversation and to belittle anything that follows. It falls under the same belittling terms as: hysterical, hypersensitive, over dramatic, drama queen, storm in a tea cup, over emotional... Anyone seeing a theme in this? They are feminising insults. Because yer a hypersensitive girly man liberal if it matters. Or just a female. So anything you say is dismissed.

Frankly, I get told "stop busting my balls, bitch" along the same lines.
My response "quit whining and put on a cup"

11-23-2015, 12:32 PM	#1
storyspinner70 Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Single Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: VA Posts: 355 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,366 Thanked 987 Times in 289 Posts Rep Power: 8681947	I think that the thing most people object to when it comes to being called "pc" is that Politically Correct most often means not saying what you actually want to say because you'll be considered gauche, racist or archaic. It, like most things in our world, has been twisted into a shadow of what it may have started out as. For example, if you see a child with Down's and it takes effort to not break out the "r" word because you know someone is going to be outraged by that, or you'll LOOK like you're an asshole, but that's the only reason you're whipping out the "differently abled" instead? It's lip service at best, and you're still not addressing the root problem - a child with Down's should just be a child to you like any other. At the core, isn't that disingenuous at best? And, frankly, in the states anyway, we've become such a litigious society that people have become afraid to say or do things for fear of being sued by someone. Everyone is so eager anymore to be offended, it's becoming impossible to express an opinion without being attacked for it. I have zero problem with that, but people are being cowed into silence because of things like that. And that's never cool. As for me, I'd rather you look me in the face and say, "Damn, you're a CUNxtTuesday" than to fill my ears with what you think you should say and hate me while you do it. So, I'm a firm advocate for using the politically correct terms, but you're a hypocrite to do it just because you feel you need to not to look like an asshole with no concept of what the foundation of being PC is really about. Speaking of assholes, Trump isn't being some champion for truth and honesty when he spouts his nonsense freely in the name of "banishing political correctness". He's just doing what is his right - saying whatever he wants whenever he wants to. Dust off the extremely thin layer of righteousness, and he's still just an asshole with a ton of money and the freedom of speech we all enjoy. So, really, for me...be PC if you want...be outrageous if you want...but be genuine. Be real. Let the chips fall where they may, but be you. Oh and Grainne, you are very correct, that quote was never Voltaire, but Evelyn Beatrice Hall (as Stephen G. Tallentyre) writing about Voltaire's purported attitude. __________________ So plant your own gardens and decorate your own soul, instead of waiting for someone to bring you flowers. ― Jorge Luis Borges

11-23-2015, 01:25 PM	#2
Angeltoes Senior Member How Do You Identify?: Femme Preferred Pronoun?: She Relationship Status: Nunya Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Bernlandia Posts: 1,740 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 4,286 Thanked 5,525 Times in 1,386 Posts Rep Power: 21474851	It's no surprise that people have ugly thoughts what's different now is that historically this country has never given such a wide platform to lunatics before. The term itself has morphed into something negative only because Conservatives in the 1990's started associating it with Communism. Example: http://www.nytimes.com/1990/10/28/we...pagewanted=all

11-23-2015, 03:25 PM	#3
imperfect_cupcake Senior Member How Do You Identify?: feminine dolly dyke Preferred Pronoun?: Your Grace Relationship Status: I put my own care first Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In a gauze of mystery Posts: 1,776 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 2,426 Thanked 9,712 Times in 1,611 Posts Rep Power: 21474853	I have a dark, sarcastic, sharp sense of humour. I enjoy being called names as a form or endearment. People teased me and called me "Moose Flaps Morgan" (flaps are vagina lips and moose was because I'm Canuck) when I first went to the UK. If I showed upset and offence, they would have hit me harder and constantly. Instead, I insulted back and laughed. And learned abut a different way to express humour and to understand intent rather than form. I know a shit ton neo-liberal middle class white faux lesbian gals who are verbally PC but are horrid, horrid bitches when it comes to anything they don't want in their own back yard. Intent is a lot. But that requires trusting the person and knowing what their intent is. That means if one of my mates yells "hey slag!" To me on the street, I'll grin and waggle my butt and run over and hug them. If someone I don't know says something similar, they are going to get a new one ripped about understanding slut shaming. Because I don't know what their intent is. How the fuck would I know?? That's why posting on a forum where you don't know folks, having a change of tact is usually indicative of emotional intelligence. I'm not all that fussed about offending people that I do. However, I'm willing to have a conversation about what they have an issue with. Their emotional response is their own. That's their biz. But if they have a critical thinking point, I'll be interested in that. Someone trying to shut down a conversation by saying "I'm offended" God for you. And? Do you have a reason and a point to go with that? And the offhand remark of "PC police" or "PC gone crazy" means that no critical thinking, intelligent conversation will follow. Because the term is ment to dismiss any conversation and to belittle anything that follows. It falls under the same belittling terms as: hysterical, hypersensitive, over dramatic, drama queen, storm in a tea cup, over emotional... Anyone seeing a theme in this? They are feminising insults. Because yer a hypersensitive girly man liberal if it matters. Or just a female. So anything you say is dismissed. Frankly, I get told "stop busting my balls, bitch" along the same lines. My response "quit whining and put on a cup"