General Butch Appreciation Thread

[Femmadian]

Originally Posted by Chained Daisy

Runner I think this comment is very mean spirited.

This is the `General Butch Appreciation` thread so yes I do believe posts can be taken and are indeed meant to be taken as a compliment to all Butches, so long as the Butch reading it feels it fits comfortably with their own particular brand/fit of being on the Butch spectrum.

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Indeed.

I'm not sure where the whole "earning respect" comment came from, but I think such sentiments are unnecessary and do not add to the overall aim of the thread.

For clarification purposes, I started this thread as a way to show a general appreciation for all butches (yes, all) and to have a place to inject a bit of butch/femme specificity and also positivity into this space. If someone sees themselves or a loved one in one of the posts, that's great! That's what it's here for. If not, no problem, but if that's the case, then there are other threads to choose from. I do not appreciate the snark directed at other thread participants.

If we could keep things on topic and not make it personal, that would be lovely.

Thanks!

[Kätzchen]

[Femmadian]

I believe this is from Carol A. Queen's "Strangers at Home". Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.



Love you, changelings. 💗

[Femmadian]

[Kätzchen]

[JDeere]

Originally Posted by Femmadian

Indeed.

I'm not sure where the whole "earning respect" comment came from, but I think such sentiments are unnecessary and do not add to the overall aim of the thread.

For clarification purposes, I started this thread as a way to show a general appreciation for all butches (yes, all) and to have a place to inject a bit of butch/femme specificity and also positivity into this space. If someone sees themselves or a loved one in one of the posts, that's great! That's what it's here for. If not, no problem, but if that's the case, then there are other threads to choose from. I do not appreciate the snark directed at other thread participants.

If we could keep things on topic and not make it personal, that would be lovely.

Thanks!

You say ALL butches but so far have not seen one post about male ided butches! Its been about the female aspect ever since the thread started.

[Wrang1er]

Originally Posted by JDeere

You say ALL butches but so far have not seen one post about male ided butches! Its been about the female aspect ever since the thread started.

Perhaps you should take it upon yourself to post one, JDeere.

Butches are like ice cream. We come in all flavors.

[Femmadian]

JDeere,

This is the second post you've made in this thread to this effect. You haven't actually posted anything yourself, nor (from what I can see) have you even so much as thanked any of the other contributing posters in this conversation for what they've brought to the table. So far, all I've seen you do is criticize.

But... not all criticism is without merit.

So I went back and counted all of the posts so far in this thread that were of butch-appreciating content to actually check your claim, as I like to think of myself as a fair minded person and wanted to see how the numbers shook out.

Literally half of the posts don't even mention a gender. Half. A whole 11 out of the 22 posts so far do not mention feminine pronouns or refer to a butch as specifically a woman.

Furthermore, several of the quotes here are by rather well known trans and non-binary butches. Ivan Coyote identifies as trans and non-binary. S. Bear Bergman is an out and proud trans man married to another out and proud trans man. And Leslie Feinberg... well, there shouldn't even be a need for an introduction.

If you cannot see that this thread is on the whole inclusive of butches of all stripes, then I don't know what to tell you.

So, if you still cannot see your particular flavour of butch represented here, that's not my or anyone else's problem. You either need to post something productive in keeping with the original guidelines of the thread which does represent what you want to see, or you need to stop derailing it.

If you are so aggrieved to see people expressing appreciation for butches which aren't 100% exactly like yourself and if you're not going to further this thread, then, frankly, I would respectfully ask you to bow out.

I'm not going to discuss this again.

[Femmadian]

Made ya look.

[Gemme]

Originally Posted by Femmadian

JDeere,

This is the second post you've made in this thread to this effect. You haven't actually posted anything yourself, nor (from what I can see) have you even so much as thanked any of the other contributing posters in this conversation for what they've brought to the table. So far, all I've seen you do is criticize.

But... not all criticism is without merit.

So I went back and counted all of the posts so far in this thread that were of butch-appreciating content to actually check your claim, as I like to think of myself as a fair minded person and wanted to see how the numbers shook out.

Literally half of the posts don't even mention a gender. Half. A whole 11 out of the 22 posts so far do not mention feminine pronouns or refer to a butch as specifically a woman.

Furthermore, several of the quotes here are by rather well known trans and non-binary butches. Ivan Coyote identifies as trans and non-binary. S. Bear Bergman is an out and proud trans man married to another out and proud trans man. And Leslie Feinberg... well, there shouldn't even be a need for an introduction.

If you cannot see that this thread is on the whole inclusive of butches of all stripes, then I don't know what to tell you.

So, if you still cannot see your particular flavour of butch represented here, that's not my or anyone else's problem. You either need to post something productive in keeping with the original guidelines of the thread which does represent what you want to see, or you need to stop derailing it.

If you are so aggrieved to see people expressing appreciation for butches which aren't 100% exactly like yourself and if you're not going to further this thread, then, frankly, I would respectfully ask you to bow out.

I'm not going to discuss this again.

Hell to the yeah.

[Kätzchen]

Back in 2015, The Advocate featured Wendy Kali's book on Butch / Femme culture.

Here's an link to the magazine's article , thoughtfully written by Mitch Kellaway:

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entert...alive-and-well

[Kätzchen]

Here's Ivan E Coyote, Rae Spoon, and I forget who the other person is, but this photo is from their website and was taken while they were on tour, up in Seattle.

Over the years, in the butch femme community, I recall remarkable butch's who've played an important role by expounding upon their own ideas as butches or transmen or as non-binary butches, and Ivan E Coyote, is but one of many I remember.

Here's to Ivan E Coyote and Rae Spoon and others (...).

[girl_dee]

[Medusa]

Originally Posted by JDeere

You say ALL butches but so far have not seen one post about male ided butches! Its been about the female aspect ever since the thread started.

JDEERE-

Please take the time to read Femmeadian’s post as she pretty much lines out how this thread has evolved.
This thread is for ALL Butches of all identities so if you want to express your appreciation for male id’d Butches then do so but don’t bust up in here and finger-waggle other people as if they owe you something.

Also? If I see you making swipes in other threads concerning this issue again you will receive a time-out.

Thanks,
Medusa

[JDeere]

Originally Posted by Medusa

JDEERE-

Please take the time to read Femmeadian’s post as she pretty much lines out how this thread has evolved.
This thread is for ALL Butches of all identities so if you want to express your appreciation for male id’d Butches then do so but don’t bust up in here and finger-waggle other people as if they owe you something.

Also? If I see you making swipes in other threads concerning this issue again you will receive a time-out.

Thanks,
Medusa

I posted to the mod about that moderation in the other thread it was not directed at anyone on the site and im sorry some folks have to report instead of maybe private messaging me about it.

[Medusa]

Originally Posted by JDeere

I posted to the mod about that moderation in the other thread it was not directed at anyone on the site and im sorry some folks have to report instead of maybe private messaging me about it.

JDEERE-
For future reference, when you are modded it is not appropriate to reply to it in the same space in which you were modded.
You’ve taken some time and effort from several folks over this issue and it is time for you to move along.
If you can’t understand why it’s annoying and disruptive to make passive-aggressive remarks then I can’t help you.
I suggest you remove yourself from this thread.

It’s late and I’m annoyed, just so you know, so please don’t make me log in to the Admin panel to time you out because it’s likely to be lengthy.

Back to the thread now, folks.

Thanks,
Angie

[Femmadian]

[Femmadian]

Mon Capitaine.