Kavenaugh OMG

[~ocean]

Originally Posted by WheatToast

I think my prognostcating efforts are going increasingly out of whack.
Perhaps I need to go on a strict news diet, where I avoid it entirely and instead watch old reruns of Bob Ross's Joy of Painting show. When he uses huge house painting brushes to pound fluffy little clouds onto friendly little skies, it never fails to make me laugh.

if u put all Bob Ross' paintings in a row and run past them it will look like "Make America Great Again" lolol all kidding aside ~ seeing threw his eyes bring back a feeling of content.

[Orema]

Yesterday, Sen. John Cornyn (Texas, Republican, Judiciary Committee) said the Senate treated Dr. Ford the way he'd want his daughter, sister, or mother treated.

Well, what about his son, brother, father, or himself? Wouldn't he want them to be treated fairly, too?

It would be helpful if a male senator or councilman stood up and said, I, too, have been sexually assaulted and I didn't speak up for fear of ....

Dare I think there is at least one male senator or councilman who has been sexually abused. But this is a can of worms these worms on the Judiciary Committee don't want to even think about, let alone discuss.

I think hearing from some men who have been abused may have stopped this nomination, but then Trump would only try to appoint someone even worse.

[Gráinne]

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

[Andrea]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

I had not heard her story had changed. Do you have a link about that?

Dr Ford did say Mark Judge was in the room but he has declined to discuss it. He may be a corroborating witness if someone in authority was to speak to him.

[Gráinne]

Originally Posted by Andrea

I had not heard her story had changed. Do you have a link about that?

Dr Ford did say Mark Judge was in the room but he has declined to discuss it. He may be a corroborating witness if someone in authority was to speak to him.

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

That was an OpEd piece, not a news article.

[tantalizingfemme]

Between Trump’s election and this fucking travesty, I have seen sides of people in my life I never knew existed. On one hand it’s been horrible, but on the other, I now know who stays and who goes. It’s been enlightening. Sad, but enlightening.

[Lyte]

Bah! lol

This items listed as "inconsistences" were immaterial at the time of her testimony to the Judiciary Committee. How many were at the party? Narrow stairwell? Short stairwell? Early 80's? Mid 80's? Floorplan? Answers to these questions could have been discovered if those running the show wanted to dig a little deeper.

Plenty have been convicted (aka found guilty) based on circumstantial evidence alone and in this case... no one was even shooting for a conviction on Kavanagh. We just needed the answer to a simple question... is this dude due a promotion? Based on a preponderance of the evidence… which includes his own hysterical testimony.... oh hell no!

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

[Martina]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

For one: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...mn/1497661002/

And the prosecutor who examined her identified several inconsistencies.

She had been trying to recall in the period between letters and testimony. Her answers became, in some cases, more specific. These kinds of minor inconsistencies do not in any way signal lying.

Also, it wasn't a fucking court of law. Throwing out the judicial system??? This wasn't part of the judicial system. He wasn't in court.

And seriously, using the word lynching in this context? Haven't we all learned better? Hell, Fox News doesn't do that anymore.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Martina

She had been trying to recall in the period between letters and testimony. Her answers became, in some cases, more specific. These kinds of minor inconsistencies do not in any way signal lying.

Also, it wasn't a fucking court of law. Throwing out the judicial system??? This wasn't part of the judicial system. He wasn't in court.

And seriously, using the word lynching in this context? Haven't we all learned better? Hell, Fox News doesn't do that anymore.

The "prosecutor" was not there to prosecute, the GOP men hired HER because they wanted a GOP woman to question Dr. Ford and they didn't have one on their committee. Once the imported woman started questioning Kavanaugh on his drinking, they pull her out and sent the men back in to mollycoddle that skeevy bastard.
The head of the FBI went to Yale Law within two years of Kavanaugh--and anyone can see the FBI probe was a fucking farce.
And don't get me started on use of the term 'lynching.'
Women need to choose what side they are on--because battle lines have been drawn, and it's time.
I choose women over GOP white men. You?

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

I wrote a lengthy reply to this earlier, but rather than wade into a debate I fear would be an exercise in futility, I will be brief.
Though the Judge will probably be seated on the highest court in the land in spite of the objections of the American Bar Association, his church, a former Supreme Court Justice, 100 different judges and millions of Americans, the negative attention and tarnished reputation he has earned was brought on ONLY by himself and his lack of mature temperament, the out of control sobbing, the disrespect he showed Senators, the yelling, the self pitying, and the rank, paranoid partisanship he showed in his rage filled rebuttal.
I pity his family and friends, but not because Dr. Ford tarnished his halo, I pity them because he seems to be without sincerity, principles, or even the integrity not to lie to Congress.

He weak apology today made it worse.

[CherylNYC]

Originally Posted by Gráinne

I, like everyone else, has been following this cesspool of a confirmation process since go.

If I have it right, this is partly about Kavanaugh's character, but more broadly, that he is conservative out the yin-yang. If Trump wins re-election in 2020, and with a couple other Justices looking long in the tooth, the broad fear is that he will be in a position to eviscerate Roe v. Wade and shift the Supreme Court for years, way after his term. I hear and can understand that fear.

With that being said, my immediate fear is that Kavanaugh was guilty until proven innocent-by the media, by women (including here), and by Democratic senators on the committee and in the whole Senate body. Of course, no matter his looking-more-inevitable confirmation, his reputation has already been smeared. This has to have been hell on his family, who obviously weren't in the picture when he was 17-18.

I believe something happened to Dr. Ford, just because of the fact that few women (and more than a few men) get out of their teens without some kind of sexual incident against their will, including me. I withhold judgement on Kavanaugh simply because her story changes, and there is no corroborating witnesses or credible evidence to support her story.

And therein lies my fear. If last Thursday is the level of "proof" needed to ruin someone's career and personal life, then let's toss out the judicial system right now. To some, he has a big target called "successful white guy" on his back. That was a lynching, and no, I don't apologize for the strong words. If we as a country have come down to political lynchings, I have great fear indeed.

Do you really believe what you wrote? Do you actually think that Dr Ford was not credible, and that her accusation was some sort of "political lynching" of an otherwise appropriate candidate to the US Supreme Court?

The way our system works is that the Executive Branch, (the President) nominates candidates for the Judicial Branch to lifetime positions on the Federal bench. The Legislative Branch is charged with giving 'advice and consent' on those nominations. Hearings on a potential jurists are one of the ways we keep checks and balances in place so that one of the three branches of Federal government doesn't become more powerful than the other two. These hearings are supposed to determine not only whether a candidate has adequate understanding of Federal laws and the US Constitution, but also if they would rule impartially, and whether they have the right character and judicial temperament to sit on the Federal bench for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. These hearings are supposed to be thorough. They're supposed to examine a potential jurist's ability to put aside personal animosities and rule impartially. They're supposed to publicly examine a person's character.

Kavanuagh's determination to overturn settled law as it pertains to women's bodies and autonomy is quite alarming, but not disqualifying in my opinion. Trump vowed to nominate judges who would seek to regulate my vagina and deregulate guns. All of his nominees so far fit that bill. It's tragic that our Supreme Court will be slanted so far away from the mainstream, but we knew that was coming when Trump became President.

You are not correct that this is some sort of smear campaign visited upon some hapless man who happens to be white and conservative. If there are any questions or concerns about the prior conduct of a candidate for any Federal judgeship, this is exactly the moment when it's supposed to come up! Why on earth is there a question about this? This is how it's supposed to work. That is, except for the part where the FBI is NOT supposed to be constrained in their investigations, and legislators ARE supposed to consider whether a candidate has ever committed perjury, (Yes, Kavanaugh has done so during these hearings as well as during his hearings when he was fist nominated for his current position), whether a candidate is impartial, (Kavanaugh whined and sputtered about the Clinton's during his raging, intemperate rants on the stand, fer f*cks sake!), and whether or not the candidate has ever committed a crime such as, oh I don't know, SEXUAL ASSAULT!

PS Lynching was one way to MURDER African Americans, (and several Jewish people), during a harrowing and horrible period of time in the US when vicious bigots who saw those people as less than human knew they could literally get away with MURDER. I think it's incredibly insensitive to use that word to describe public allegations of a crime which many people believe one white man committed against one young white girl. Please don't do that again.

[ksrainbow]

*You may not always have a comfortable life and you will not always be able to solve all of the world's problems at once but don't ever underestimate the importance you can have because history has shown us that courage can be contagious and hope can take on a life of its own.*

Michelle Obama-


Without hope we are hopeless which to some is weakness. I am hopeful and stronger today than any other time in my life. I will continue to move forward with both. 11/6/18 I will VOTE!

Ks-

[tantalizingfemme]

Originally Posted by ksrainbow

*You may not always have a comfortable life and you will not always be able to solve all of the world's problems at once but don't ever underestimate the importance you can have because history has shown us that courage can be contagious and hope can take on a life of its own.*

Michelle Obama-


Without hope we are hopeless which to some is weakness. I am hopeful and stronger today than any other time in my life. I will continue to move forward with both. 11/6/18 I will VOTE!

Ks-

KS your post reminded of this video.

https://www.salon.com/2018/09/24/for...-our-politics/

[Esme nha Maire]

Just posting to express my deepest sympathies for those in the USA. I've only just caught up a little with events of the last week. May Goddess smile upon all good folk trying to combat the darkness that has descended upon the USA in the form of Trump and his cronies, and bring them victory in their struggle to remove such a heinous regime from their country.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

if u put all Bob Ross' paintings in a row and run past them it will look like "Make America Great Again" lolol all kidding aside ~ seeing threw his eyes bring back a feeling of content.

LOL Ocean!
I had an artist friend who took a job at an "art factory." They set up several "sofa sized" blank canvases in a row, and using the Bob Ross formula, he ran from canvas to canvas slapping the same happy little cloud here and spiky little trees there. He could knock out 10 identical landscapes in an hour.