2020 Presidential Election

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by kittygrrl

stop assuming dark, i'm Hawaiian, Japanese, and Danish. I was raised in a multi-ethnic home and experienced racism every single day as a child when i moved to the mainland. I was bullied because i was different and a different color so please save your white splaining about how you know all about it. Your un-evolved covert racism is wrong. I really could care less how you would like to minimize the emotional pain i suffered as a child because of white privilege. Someone's color or lack of color doesn't even register with me anymore in my daily life except when i come here and see it from people who should know better. So yes, i will speak my mind.

You’re right, it’s only appropriate for me to challenge my own people.

As a WOC yourself you certainly have the right to draw on your experience to challenge current rhetoric, whereas I only know what I’m told.

[Orema]

Looks like it will be a crowded running field for Democrats and probably the others, too.

I’m looking forward to the debates where some of these jokers will be weeded out.

I’m thinkin’ Senators Harris will come out ahead and will probably be the next nominee.

[Kätzchen]

I read somewhere, rather recently, that Stacy Abrams is possibly seeking to become a senator for her home state, and that brought joy to my heart. I see her as a methodical individual, who is highly esteemed by constituents in the state of Georgia. I am rooting for her successful bid to become a senator in 20/20.


At this point in time, I am interested in learning more about Julian Castro. I recently was talking with a colleague from my former work campus who is from Guatemala and another friend too, who is Mexican, and both individuals find that Castro's bid for US President, is something they can get behind and support.

So I am watching with great interest, with regard to Beto O'Rourke and Julian Castro, and continue to explore background information concerning the two and remain willing to support any person who ends up being the Democratic nominee for US President.

Btw, I can see Stacy Abrams as US President. She's got a heart for helping to liberate those oppressed in her home state and I find her track record appealing --- both for a bid to be Senator and if one day too, US President. I see the spirit of Kwanzaa about her and appreciate her conduct and decorum in all things known about Stacy Abrams.

[dark_crystal]

I listened to Chapo Traphouse this morning and the first thing they did was roundly mock Julian Castro for supporting meritocracy with his "Brain power is currency" remarks.

Then, Amber A'Lee Frost read her article "It's Bernie, Bitch" out loud, verbatim.

The article basically declares that if the Democrats do not nominate Bernie it is going to be 2016 all over again.

Anti-Trump forces will splinter into capitalist Dems, socialist Dems, and disenchanted Republicans, and Trump's 30% will be enough to beat all three.

I feel that Ms. Frost is encouraging the same tactic for the Democratic nomination that Trump is using for the wall: do it my way or i'll tip the whole apple cart.

As I've said, I vote as A Gay: I want socialism, too, i just don't want to live through a theocracy to get it:

another lukewarm Democratic presidency will not only further impoverish and destabilize the working class and its suffering institutions, it will also all but guarantee that 2024 brings us POTUS Hamburglar in an SS uniform. No, it’s Bernie or bust. I don’t care if we have to roll him out on a hand truck and sprinkle cocaine into his coleslaw before every speech. If he dies mid-run, we’ll stuff him full of sawdust, shove a hand up his ass, and operate him like a goddamn muppet.

If we have to tank another election and live though another four years of stochastic terrorism to get the party Ms. Frost wants, me and mine will not survive it. I guess we've been selected as martyrs?

Yes, there are guileless and gentle souls who voice concern about Sanders’s prospects, policies, or appeal to women and minority voters, and with those people we have conversations. Kindly, confidently, and thoroughly we explain that Bernie Sanders is the best candidate for the working class—and we then spell out, with the same saintly patience, that this means all of the working class. But as for the liberal media, and for those who would disingenuously invoke identity politics to attack the socialist, just remember the magic words: “I know what you’re doing right now, and it doesn’t work on me.”

This irritates me because i feel the scorched-earth progressives have been just as disingenuous with "Bernie's minority problem" as neoliberal handwringers (or Joe Bidens)-- who have nothing to offer except social justice-- have: Bernie is great for minorities and Bernie's policies are great for minorities.

What's bad for minorities is splintering the Democratic party.

if indeed you are a socialist first, then you must be a contrarian pundit second, and this is your one opportunity to drop the professional artifice of “constructive criticism from the left” and choose socialism over media strategy. There are no “impartial” spectators on this one; only partisans and compradors.

That's splintering.

If you have strayed, all is forgiven, but you better come to Jesus right now because memory is long, and history judges the cowardly squish far more harshly than the honest enemy. And you can’t say that no one was there at the time to tell you that this was it—this was the pivotal moment where you had to make the right choice.

I'm not mad, i'm terrified. i'm not interested in fighting this, i want the rest of ya'll to just do as Ms. Frost says bc i'm still (as mentioned in the OP) too traumatized from #NeverHillary to go through it again.

Free college and Medicare for All are still free college and Medicare for All whether or not you're led at the point of a gun.

As a bonus we would also get President Bernie.

[charley]

I wonder what effect that most Democrats now tend to identify as "liberal", as per:

• "Most Democrats now identify as liberal rather than moderate or conservative, a Gallup poll released Tuesday found, marking the first time since the polling giant began asking the question in the 1990s.
  
• "Monday's poll found that 51 percent of Democrats self-identified as liberal in 2018, up slightly from 50 percent in 2017. The percentage of liberals has sharply climbed in recent years, Gallup noted, with 38 percent identifying as liberal in 2008.
  
• "Roughly a third of Democrats -- 34 percent -- identified as moderates in 2018, according to the new poll.
  
• "Members of the Republican Party have remained more staunchly conservative, pollsters found, with 73 percent identifying as conservative in 2018 and just 22 percent calling themselves moderate.
  
• "At least 70 percent of Republicans have identified as conservative since 2008, according to Gallup.
  
• "Monday's poll was based on telephone interviews with 13,852 random adults in 2018. The margin of error is 1 percentage point.
  
• "The poll results come as Democrats have retaken the majority in the House with a caucus that contains a number of high-profile progressives, such as Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), who have pushed for policies like Medicare for all and a Green New Deal.
  
• "GOP pundits and critics have questioned whether the Democratic caucus, which contains numerous more moderate members as well, will be able to push a unified agenda."

(my emphasis on the word "liberal")

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...st-time-gallup

[Martina]

I don't think it's gonna go that way. I am glad for the voices on the left. They remind us of reality in this surreal political landscape. I am not totally neverhillary because I voted for her, but I hated her as a candidate -- with a white hot heat.

I don't know if you can go by me, but I will vote for any not totally sold out Dem. I guess I am a little ideosyncratic in how I determine that. I dislike and would not vote for Corey Booker, but would vote for Biden.

I think there are a lot of lefties like me who don't feel the anti-mainstream Dem heat as strongly after two years of Trump.

[kittygrrl]

i will vote for a moderate democrat in primaries even though i am very left leaning..because i want a candidate that will appeal to a wider variety of midwest voters and those in red states. This is the smarter choice.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by Martina

I don't think it's gonna go that way. I am glad for the voices on the left. They remind us of reality in this surreal political landscape. I am not totally neverhillary because I voted for her, but I hated her as a candidate -- with a white hot heat.

I don't know if you can go by me, but I will vote for any not totally sold out Dem. I guess I am a little ideosyncratic in how I determine that. I dislike and would not vote for Corey Booker, but would vote for Biden.

I think there are a lot of lefties like me who don't feel the anti-mainstream Dem heat as strongly after two years of Trump.

I am concerned about Russia. Whether or not people are currently feeling the anti-mainstream heat, Russia will make sure sentiments like these grow legs.

Chapo Traphouse stated multiple times that interest in the Russia investigation was a litmus test for who NOT to support among the Dem candidates.

It's like they are Russian Meddling deniers, despite extensive proof that the Russians used them last time.

This will make just make the left a better weapon.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I listened to Chapo Traphouse this morning and the first thing they did was roundly mock Julian Castro for supporting meritocracy with his "Brain power is currency" remarks.

Then, Amber A'Lee Frost read her article "It's Bernie, Bitch" out loud,verbatim

This article was retracted by the publisher

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I like that Bernie announced upon the heels of Schultz trying to blackmail the Dems over nominating him-- bc i, too, am a troll.

Now we are going to get to see who moves to the center to placate Schultz.

And any Dems who want to give Schultz the finger have only 1 way to do it: get behind Bernie. Schultz said specifically who he was most worried about.

ALSO

i like that Russia pushed his narrative to spoil Hillary/help Trump last cycle-- bc now all of their trollery bites them in the ass. Bernie's message is very visible and the Russians helped. Now their tactics become our asset.

It's beautiful.

I take this back lol

Originally Posted by dark_crystal

I listened to Chapo Traphouse this morning and the first thing they did was roundly mock Julian Castro for supporting meritocracy with his "Brain power is currency" remarks.

Then, Amber A'Lee Frost read her article "It's Bernie, Bitch" out loud, verbatim.

The article basically declares that if the Democrats do not nominate Bernie it is going to be 2016 all over again.

Anti-Trump forces will splinter into capitalist Dems, socialist Dems, and disenchanted Republicans, and Trump's 30% will be enough to beat all three.

I'm not mad, i'm terrified. i'm not interested in fighting this, i want the rest of ya'll to just do as Ms. Frost says bc i'm still (as mentioned in the OP) too traumatized from #NeverHillary to go through it again.

Free college and Medicare for All are still free college and Medicare for All whether or not you're led at the point of a gun.

As a bonus we would also get President Bernie.

But not this

[BullDog]

There's plenty of obnoxious real Bernie followers and not fake bots drummed by the Russians. The Bros and others are real. Sanders never spoke up against them - only one of the many things I don't like about him.

I think Sanders would lose in a huge wipeout. I don't think his following is as strong as it was the last time around and he didn't have near enough to win the last time either. Many people I know who were followers of his before are quite disenchanted with him.

Of course, there are still the Bernie faithful and you won't convince them otherwise that Sanders isn't the answer. I definitely don't even bother trying.

We'll see.

[WheatToast]

Originally Posted by Kätzchen

I read somewhere, rather recently, that Stacy Abrams is possibly seeking to become a senator for her home state, and that brought joy to my heart. I see her as a methodical individual, who is highly esteemed by constituents in the state of Georgia. I am rooting for her successful bid to become a senator in 20/20.


At this point in time, I am interested in learning more about Julian Castro. I recently was talking with a colleague from my former work campus who is from Guatemala and another friend too, who is Mexican, and both individuals find that Castro's bid for US President, is something they can get behind and support.

So I am watching with great interest, with regard to Beto O'Rourke and Julian Castro, and continue to explore background information concerning the two and remain willing to support any person who ends up being the Democratic nominee for US President.

Btw, I can see Stacy Abrams as US President. She's got a heart for helping to liberate those oppressed in her home state and I find her track record appealing --- both for a bid to be Senator and if one day too, US President. I see the spirit of Kwanzaa about her and appreciate her conduct and decorum in all things known about Stacy Abrams.

Stacy Abrams was robbed! Still, her composure and tact were admirable, and I hope she has a bright future in Democratic politics.
In Texas, Beto really made a splash in the midterm Senate race against the loathsome Ted Cruz. He seemed to savor all the national attention and he made some noteworthy remarks on controversial issues. He's just a lovable guy.
However, his recent cross country solo tour made me wonder how he could embark on such a lengthy trip after having just been on the campaign trail the entire year before. Doesn't he like to be with his wife and little kids?
Perhaps Trump has made me paranoid about the selfishness some politicians show, but when Beto's tour included a video with him sitting in a dental chair for a tooth cleaning, it hit me the wrong way. I mean, seriously, how much does he think we want to see of him?
I still like him and hope he does well in the POTUS primaries, but I want a president who is strictly business, knows his or her shit, and frankly someone who bores me rather than grabbing my attention like some gimmicky reality star.
That brings to mind Julian Castro--a policy wonk and straight arrow* who never seemed desperate to grab the spotlight as HUD Secretary, or the mayor of a large city. His humility is at a premium after Trump's lack thereof.
Add to that, today's entrance of the fabulous Camilla Harris, a brilliant prosecutor, an effective California AG, and an even more effective legislator for California.
Seems to me, the females in both houses are more willing to lock horns with Trump and his robotic GOP legislators.
We need an Amazon or Superman to preside over the White House after this lunatic--especially when it comes to repairing the damage he did with NATO and our European allies.
I think it would also help our international reputation to elect anyone but another straight, white guy. They've had 200+ years to eff things up, and
they no longer adequately represent America's richly diverse population.

* Speaking of arrows, Hispanic Americans have started calling Trump "cool arrow," pronounced "culero," which is Spanish for asshole. lolol!