2020 Presidential Election

kittygrrl · 06-28-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by C0LLETTE

Might be useful to remember that you're trying to defeat a Fascist president not adopt a cute puppy.

In the long run if Biden is not capable of dealing w Trump it will become obvious..It was disheartening to watch adults last night attacking at each other, interrupting and for some to think that a victory. We never learn. Noted, Mayor Pete & Biden were the only ones who did not join in the free for all ...We need someone who can think strategically..which apparently is a stretch for most of these candidates and democrats in general. However, i am hopeful that one decent human being shall become known and prevail..will she/he be perfect? No...but hopefully it will not be Harris or anyone like her...I'm not interested in someone who can trump, Trump. Hell, just about anyone with half a brain can do that.

We need the next President to be a person of vision, intelligence, & wisdom who can lead us into the future..anything less then that will only make things worse.

MsTinkerbelly · 06-28-2019, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

In the long run if Biden is not capable of dealing w Trump it will become obvious..It was disheartening to watch adults last night attacking at each other, interrupting and for some to think that a victory. We never learn. Noted, Mayor Pete & Biden were the only ones who did not join in the free for all ...We need someone who can think strategically..which apparently is a stretch for most of these candidates and democrats in general. However, i am hopeful that one decent human being shall become known and prevail..will she/he be perfect? No...but hopefully it will not be Harris or anyone like her...I'm not interested in someone who can trump, Trump. Hell, just about anyone with half a brain can do that.

We need the next President to be a person of vision, intelligence, & wisdom who can lead us into the future..anything less then that will only make things worse.

Not trying to dump on you kitty, but remember where nice and Hilary got us last time..... The time for civility may have ended with Trump, because I now see every Republican after his term, pulling the same crap.

Maybe someday Democrats can be all warm and fuzzy again, but now? Now we need a strong determined leader to fight the fight and get this country back on track. Good ol’ Joe or milktoast Mayor Pete are not going to get us there.

Orema · 06-28-2019, 05:40 PM

I think Harris came out on top and if I had to vote today it would be for her, but I don’t think any of them will be able to beat Trump. At least not based on what I saw in the two debates.

They’ll need to be more ruthless, cunning, and convincing. Harris was these things with Biden, but Trump is a different cookie and I wonder how she would (will?) handle him as an opponent.

I’m not optimistic after watching the debates but i haven’t given up hope, either.

kittygrrl · 06-29-2019, 12:32 AM

I don't believe being more ruthless will get us to a better place . This is only an opinion.

kittygrrl · 06-29-2019, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly

Not trying to dump on you kitty, but remember where nice and Hilary got us last time.....

I honestly don't mind Tinkerbelly

MsTinkerbelly · 06-29-2019, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl

I honestly don't mind Tinkerbelly

I always find having a discussion with you to be refreshing.

~ocean · 06-29-2019, 06:48 AM

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

Martina · 06-29-2019, 07:14 AM

Spoil sport!

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Originally Posted by ~ocean

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

dark_crystal · 06-29-2019, 09:22 AM

Since the debates i feel i could do a 180 from my position last year and declare that we do need to split the party into liberals vs. progressives.

Today I really felt like the progressives should not have been at these debates. I do not feel like progressives are dragging centrists to the left, and i do feel like sharing the stage with centrists is forcing progressives to leave a lot unsaid.

They just should not be competing for the same base of voters, and i feel like the real differences between the two wings are obscured when they try to share any platform.

Put Gabbard, Yang, Williamson, and Bernie (etc?) on one stage and the rest of them(?) on another stage and let the winners debate each other.

Centrists gonna centrist. Let the centrists debate themselves and let the progressives debate themselves. Let the real values of each wing crystallize around their very best person and let them confront each other directly.

Let people compare apples to oranges instead of having ideologically polarized candidates try to pretend they're all apples.

Right now the two wings are trying to put on different sleeves of the same jacket. Voters need to see two separate jackets.

I have been listening to the audiobook of The Chapo Guide to Revolution and i just feel like progressives hate the democratic party too much to continue trying to do a makeover on it in good faith.

Progressives should be their own party. And 2020 might be a perfect storm year for that.

Trump IS very weak. Bernie is very strong. Progressives may not get anyone as strong as Bernie for decades-- someone that could peel off enough support from centrism-- given the opportunity to run directly against it-- to outnumber what remains of Trump's base. There may be no other candidate for awhile who has enough grassroots support to be able to viably turn their back on a major party.

charley · 07-03-2019, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Martina

Spoil sport!

CENSORED..... CENSORED..... (rflmao)

homoe · 06-29-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean

thankfully we live in a freedom of speech country, with very tender subject like politics , we can SHARE our views ! always remember to nod that we are free thinkers and someone's views can open our eyes to another way to look at a subject ~ bashing is as classless as being ignorant to other country's politics. The up coming year is going to be intense . ** smiling ** and ^ 5's all my sister's. be kind ~

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06-29-2019, 12:32 AM	#4
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06-28-2019, 05:40 PM	#3
Orema Superlative Soul Sister How Do You Identify?: Lesbian stone femme Preferred Pronoun?: She, her Relationship Status: Moving in a single file and sometimes a sinner. Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Cottage of Content Posts: 13,686 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 41,475 Thanked 34,734 Times in 8,962 Posts Rep Power: 21474861	I think Harris came out on top and if I had to vote today it would be for her, but I don’t think any of them will be able to beat Trump. At least not based on what I saw in the two debates. They’ll need to be more ruthless, cunning, and convincing. Harris was these things with Biden, but Trump is a different cookie and I wonder how she would (will?) handle him as an opponent. I’m not optimistic after watching the debates but i haven’t given up hope, either.