2020 Presidential Election

[Martina]

Hickenlooper's out. I liked him. I gave him a couple bucks early on. He wouldn't have been bad.

Beto made a weird speech. Instead of going to the Iowa State Fair, because there's probably no point, he's going to Mississippi to talk about the immigration raids. His weirdly phrased explanation: "Where Donald Trump has been terrorizing and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans, that’s where you will find me in this campaign."

It sounded like some cartoon superhero proclaiming his mission. Underdog O'Rourke to the rescue.

[cathexis]

Originally Posted by Martina

Hickenlooper's out. I liked him. I gave him a couple bucks early on. He wouldn't have been bad.

Beto made a weird speech. Instead of going to the Iowa State Fair, because there's probably no point, he's going to Mississippi to talk about the immigration raids. His weirdly phrased explanation: "Where Donald Trump has been terrorizing and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans, that’s where you will find me in this campaign."

It sounded like some cartoon superhero proclaiming his mission. Underdog O'Rourke to the rescue.

Beto's speech made sense to me right off. The joy and fun of a fair is inappropriate for a politician when his home state is in mourning. That's how it would be perceived by people who aren't thinking politics.

As for the fairly unknown candidates, I like Bennet (probable sp). Yeah, he's pretty centrist, but I think he's a honest and hard working politician who truly cares about our country. Anybody else hear how this quiet guy stood up against Cruz about flooding in Colorado? In chambers, he rose and paced, obviously upset. Apparently, Cruz had said something negative about money for flood victims. Bennet spoke of the farmers, ranchers, and small businesses destroyed by the flood. Sounded like he truly cared about his constituents.

[easygoingfemme]

I'm enjoying following Andy Yang. He was one of my brother's closest friends growing up and he was a regular at our dinner table. We are friends on facebook and I get to see pictures of him doing goofy things with his family and keeping it real. Not saying he has my vote, but, he's a good guy and I like his approach. Pretty sure my mom is going to vote for him because we know my brother would have.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by easygoingfemme

I'm enjoying following Andy Yang. He was one of my brother's closest friends growing up and he was a regular at our dinner table. We are friends on facebook and I get to see pictures of him doing goofy things with his family and keeping it real. Not saying he has my vote, but, he's a good guy and I like his approach. Pretty sure my mom is going to vote for him because we know my brother would have.

One of my staff is ALL IN for Yang but she quit listening at "a thousand bucks a month for everyone"

The thing about Yang is he has most of the right beliefs, but that thousand bucks is also his entire climate change plan. You're supposed to use the money to "move to higher ground."

I do think planning for an orderly mass migration should be on the table. We SHOULD change our behavior in an effort to keep more places inhabitable, but humans are famous for leaving projects until the night before they are due

[Martina]

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-19/index.html

CNN seems to think Biden will keep his lead. Honestly no one knows anything, IMO, until the voting starts. Sadly, Kamala has dropped back. She's a good candidate. I have to think her campaign might not be being run well. I don't know though.

I don't want Biden to take it with all these decent candidates available. But he might. And age and gaffes and Obama-taint notwithstanding, he probably can beat Trump. So there's that.

[Kätzchen]

Former District Attorney for the Southern District of New York Preet Bharara is the Executive Vice President of Some Spider Studios and host of "Stay Tuned With Preet" on the Café channel at YouTube. I enjoy listening to his program, where people ask Preet timely questions about current day events in politics or in other venues.

Here's an hour long video of his latest "Ask Preet" pod-cast program, where he interviews Colorado's Senator Michael Bennet, who apparently is running for POTUS. The interview begins at about the 14 minute mark. I thought I'd leave it here, in this thread for the 2020 Presidential election.

I had no idea that Senator Bennet was running for president. See what you think of Preet's interview of Senator Michael Bennet. I thought it was an amazing interview.

[Apocalipstic]

It occurred to me yesterday, as I watched all the negative things Trump is enacting every day, that maybe he knows he won't win again.

I sure hope not!

[theoddz]

Originally Posted by Martina

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-19/index.html

CNN seems to think Biden will keep his lead. Honestly no one knows anything, IMO, until the voting starts. Sadly, Kamala has dropped back. She's a good candidate. I have to think her campaign might not be being run well. I don't know though.

I don't want Biden to take it with all these decent candidates available. But he might. And age and gaffes and Obama-taint notwithstanding, he probably can beat Trump. So there's that.

I don't know. Biden probably will be the one to get the nomination. For some reason, historically, the Democratic party can't seem to muster the chutzpah to just go all the way into embracing progressivism. They can't seem to gather much courage to fight the boldness of the GOP and its willingness to just go whole hog with their agenda, either. I guess it's too busy trying to "make nice" and not offend anyone, especially the so-called "moderates". It's sure given the Democrats a reputation for a weak backbone and after a while, their entire modus operendi is just tiresome and self defeating.

I keep wondering if this election cycle will be the one where Democrats will finally pull up its big boy/girl drawers and engage the GOP with an equal but opposite amount of vigorous energy and F-I-G-H-T for what it stands for. Quit the fuck "making nice" and go in it to WIN. Fuck these dimwits who are afraid to wipe their own noses or throw a punch!! We can still fight for what we believe and do it with dignity and class.....but we need to DO IT. The DNC needs to quit going with the usual suspects and grow a damned spine!!! Quit with this "gentle polite tugging" to the left and let's give it a big SHOVE. Dammit.



~Theo~

[Orema]

I hope Trump doesn’t take on Nikki Haley as VP. I’m not sure Trump needs Pence for the Evangelical voters anymore. Trump will get those votes, I think, based on the judges he’s already put in place—they know they can count on Trump. But, Trump needs someone whispering in his ear and if it’s not Pence for the Evangelical voters, then I wonder who would/could fill those shoes.

I imagine Haley would be seen as a voice of reason appealing to Republican and Democratic women.

Whether it’s Haley or Pence, I think we’re gonna have four more years of this.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by theoddz

I don't know. Biden probably will be the one to get the nomination. For some reason, historically, the Democratic party can't seem to muster the chutzpah to just go all the way into embracing progressivism. They can't seem to gather much courage to fight the boldness of the GOP and its willingness to just go whole hog with their agenda, either. I guess it's too busy trying to "make nice" and not offend anyone, especially the so-called "moderates". It's sure given the Democrats a reputation for a weak backbone and after a while, their entire modus operendi is just tiresome and self defeating.

I keep wondering if this election cycle will be the one where Democrats will finally pull up its big boy/girl drawers and engage the GOP with an equal but opposite amount of vigorous energy and F-I-G-H-T for what it stands for. Quit the fuck "making nice" and go in it to WIN. Fuck these dimwits who are afraid to wipe their own noses or throw a punch!! We can still fight for what we believe and do it with dignity and class.....but we need to DO IT. The DNC needs to quit going with the usual suspects and grow a damned spine!!! Quit with this "gentle polite tugging" to the left and let's give it a big SHOVE. Dammit.



~Theo~

They are not afraid. They are capitalism's backup plan.

The Democrats as they currently exist are allowed to diverge from the Republicans only to the degree which leaves the flow of wealth intact. The flow can narrow within certain margins if it has to, but it cannot be redistributed.

(As much as i have ranted against the idea in other threads, I'm not obtuse, I know that this is what Chapo Traphouse is talking about when they call identity issues a distraction. It is true that there can be huge differences in how the two parties treat minorities without any real threat to most industries' profits.)

As long as social stratification is preserved, capital ultimately doesn't care about the identities inside those strata. The GOP sees that it's easiest and most profitable to just preserve traditional race and gender stratification, while the Democrats are able to look progressive in their willingness to let identities mix within strata, or to sacrifice a variably-sized slice of still-healthy profits to keep people in the lowest strata alive.

Capital does not want to accommodate this sacrifice, but it can easily survive it. The GOP way is more profitable, and therefore preferable, but if they should happen to go too far and fall from grace for awhile, their Democratic replacements will be tolerable. A backup plan.

The thing is, capitalism is not going to survive the things humans are going to have to do to survive on this planet. We keep trying to find ways around that by using tax credits to reward capital for certain sacrifices, but it was already too late for that in 2008.

We are going to fight capital every step of the way and at the end? When what's left of us are eking out our survival down in the caves or whatever?

It's going to be socialist as heck down there.

[dark_crystal]

Originally Posted by Martina

Hickenlooper's out. I liked him. I gave him a couple bucks early on. He wouldn't have been bad.

Beto made a weird speech. Instead of going to the Iowa State Fair, because there's probably no point, he's going to Mississippi to talk about the immigration raids. His weirdly phrased explanation: "Where Donald Trump has been terrorizing and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans, that’s where you will find me in this campaign."

It sounded like some cartoon superhero proclaiming his mission. Underdog O'Rourke to the rescue.

He's trying to make himself into "the immigration guy" and it is frustrating bc Castro is one step ahead of him always but gets no coverage