2020 Presidential Election

[BullDog]

I do believe a fair amount of it is true, but you missed the entire point - this is Republican oppo research that is waiting for him if he makes it to the General.

Of course if you already worship Bernie then you don't care. But oh, I don't think it is harmless at all.

[BullDog]

Oh good lord now Sanders said this tonight at a CNN town hall (after defending his comments on Castro).

Sanders: "China is another example. China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny – I mean, the facts are clear, that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history."

Even if you think this is true do not say anything nice about a Communist authoritarian regime when you are trying to become a Presidential nominee and you are already tagged with the Socialist label. He just voluntarily said this. He didn't even have to mention China at all. What the hell is wrong with him.

[Kätzchen]

Originally Posted by BullDog

Oh good lord now Sanders said this tonight at a CNN town hall (after defending his comments on Castro).

Sanders: "China is another example. China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny – I mean, the facts are clear, that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history."

Even if you think this is true do not say anything nice about a Communist authoritarian regime when you are trying to become a Presidential nominee and you are already tagged with the Socialist label. He just voluntarily said this. He didn't even have to mention China at all. What the hell is wrong with him.

I'm glad I missed hearing that but glad also that you posted about it.

At one time, several years ago, I thought Sanders would make a good president, but I don't feel that way anymore. The more I hear him talk, the more I move away and don't want to hear him. Same thing with the horrid person in the WH.

I read somewhere last week, or the week before, I forget now, but I read a news article which spoke of how people in Germany are alarmed to the n-th degree about how the political climate in the US reminds them of the days before and after Hitler came to power. I agree. I am terribly worried that the power struggle between political parties in the US will lead to more dis/mis-information/propaganda and that people, in general (including myself) will be misled by these 'titans' of politics who do the bidding of those who are pulling their puppet strings.

I don't know what will become of our country if people keep believing the BS being spewed by most all of the contenders vying for the presidency.

I know one thing, it's definitely not Sanders who will save the country. It's not Bloomberg either, and the person occupying the WH and destroying our country should not even be there.

<<<<<<~~~ not falling for the Sanders propaganda this time or from anyone else.

[BullDog]

I don't know about lifting people out of poverty but under Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong an estimated 36 million people died of starvation in 1958-1962 during the Great Leap Forward initiative when private farm ownership was prohibited.

[Martina]

Globalization pulled people out of extreme poverty. The capitalism that is destroying the planet and ravaging the middle class while enriching the .1 percent has also reduced extreme poverty in many parts of the world. Not the Chinese govt. Bernie, what the fuck? I don't know why he's doing this. It will hurt him. It's not a fatal blow. If Trump can kiss Putin's ass as well as bend over for China and Saudi, I don't think people are gonna freak out.

[Martina]

This made me laugh.

https://youtu.be/Zjj7VJpqy1w

[Martina]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...dia-avalanche/

[nhplowboi]

Bernie was elected mayor I think at age 40. From what I read he didn't amount to much of anything before that. Maybe he's a late bloomer but I think not.

[Martina]

He had a number of jobs. He worked as a carpenter, directed a non-profit which made film strips, wrote freelance, worked as an aide in a psych hospital, did research for the state of Vt, registered people for food stamps for a non profit, worked as a Head Start teacher, and other things. What he was doing was making a living while being an activist. I lived in Ann Arbor back in the day, and there were tons of college educated committed hardworking people doing all kinds of jobs so they could continue their activism. I imagine there were even fewer job opportunities in Vermont. There are lots of politicians who didn't have major careers before politics. I consider his working class roots something to be proud of.

[Martina]

Bernie survived the battering he got on the debate stage. A fair number of news organizations, including CNN, listed him as a winner. It helped that the other candidates had Bloomberg to attack, too. I do like Warren. She did really well. I don't know what the people of South Carolina thought, but my guess is the debate may have hurt Bernie a tiny bit. He seems more curmudgeonly in that setting. It was like a brawl, not a good look for anyone really.

[BullDog]

I didn't think Sanders had that great of a debate but he wasn't hit hard enough either, so no game-changer - which is good for him.

I thought Biden was strong and he is the only one who looks remotely presidential to me.

Yelling, waving your arms with a red face is not presidential to me. Nor is having hopelessly impractical plans.

Warren is good at attacking Bloomberg but seemed like too much of a repeat to me. I don't mind Bloomberg getting hammered though. She won't go after Bernie so she is pretty much doomed. I agree with her that she is the better progressive to get things done compared to Sanders, but I don't see any Bernie fans switching to her at this point that has not already and many Democrats find her too far left.

Bloomberg was a lot better than last time but still an emotionless robot and hit hard by Warren.

I didn't think the others stood out much.

[Martina]

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-super-tuesday

[~ocean]

that orange baboon don't even know how many cases their are in the US ~ nor the country's affected by the virus. I'm so embarrassed if anyone see's this from other country's.

[Martina]

Well if you trust the polls, Bernie did take a small hit in South Carolina from the drubbing he received last night in the debate although he performed pretty well under the circumstances. Probably, the recent China/Cuba comments didn't help. Strangely, he's polling slightly higher everywhere else there is polling for. Who knows?

[BullDog]

Jim Clyburn endorsed Joe Biden today - which is huge. Not unexpected since they have been friends for a long time but he is the most influential politician in South Carolina. His remarks were very powerful and moving.

The main thing I'm worried about is there are definite calls out among some Republicans in South Carolina to cross over and vote for Sanders to help Trump. The Republican primary was canceled so they are all freed up. I sure hope there are no shenanigans that affect the final outcome.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/sto...on/4866493002/

Also, Republicans are trying to run a fake ad to make it look like Obama was calling Biden a racist. Obama has sent a cease and desist letter to media outlets in South Carolina. That will, of course, backfire on them because it introduces Obama into the conversation who is saying, of course, it's not true.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...tack-ad-117776

(more info on Republicans plans to vote for Sanders in this article too)

Bloomberg appears to be dropping in the polls. I certainly hope so. I did see the title of an article that I thought was hilarious:

"Warren Decides to Murder Bloomberg, 6 Days After Killing Him"

(I know there is nothing funny about someone actually dying so I assure you I am just laughing about political death)

[Martina]

Michelle Cottle of the New York Times and Trevor Noah both compared Warren's attack on Bloomberg to Uma Thurman's bloodletting in Kill Bill. Lol.

Re South Carolina, I don't think Bernie can win, but he'll pick up some delegates. He has a good chance of taking most of the states voting on Super Tuesday though.

[Martina]

Nate Silver predicts Bernie will take every state but Minnesota, Alabama and Tennessee. The polls aren't as rosy, and I think Bernie hurt himself a little lately. Still, Bernie will get a ton of delegates on Super Tuesday.

[charley]

Originally Posted by Martina

Nate Silver predicts Bernie will take every state but Minnesota, Alabama and Tennessee. The polls aren't as rosy, and I think Bernie hurt himself a little lately. Still, Bernie will get a ton of delegates on Super Tuesday.

Wel...cough...since Clyburn endorsed Biden, I think Biden will take South Carolina. (I saw Clyburn's endorsement.)

And, with Bernie's remarks re: Cuba/Castro, I doubt he will take Florida.

Btw, The Boston Globe editorial board has endorsed Warren [who I still like ], but I wish she would stop going after Bloomberg, and go after Bernie.
Bloomberg's presence is helping Bernie. So, the more she goes after Bloomberg, in a way, she is helping Bernie. I don't get her behaviour in the debates.

Even though I can relate to what Bernie says re: health care, I am concerned that if Bernie wins the nomination, Trump may get a 2nd term... just saying.

[Martina]

Endorsements don't always mean much. Everyone endorsed Trump's primary opponents, and he still got the nomination.

Florida isn't a Super Tuesday race, but I don't think it will hurt him too much. Most older Cuban Americans are Republicans. But the aging population means that Biden will probably win. Bernie does best with younger voters.

[Martina]

A poll came out today of Pennsylvania voters comparing which candidate will do best against Trump in the general election. Right now, only Bernie -- Bernie -- can win Pennsylvania. Biden ties, and everyone else loses. Pennsylvania! What is this endless bullshit about Bernie losing in the general election? No. If he gets the nomination, he will win.

But the Dems are willing to cheat Bernie out of the nomination at the Convention if he goes in winning but without a majority. They will do that. If they do, I will never vote Democratic again and will donate to progressive third party candidates when they exist. If they rob Bernie, they will lose this election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/u...gtype=Homepage