2020 Presidential Election

[A. Spectre]

In my opinion, Joe is playing it smart by keeping it down low.

Why murder when someone is committing suicide? After the convention he probably will kick it up a notch.His campaign needs to hire hundreds of people just to sift, gather all of the ammo MF45 is giving them. Joe's ads will be amazing, why? Because it will all be true, straight out of the anus' mouth.

[Apocalipstic]

If Bidien has committed crimes, I want to know the truth.
and if ideed he has committed crimes, the stakes were different in the 80s and 90s.....but if with no provocation he was fingering his emoployees, we need another plan.

I read 8 or 9 women. Did he do it, or is this Russing Troll info. I honesly dont know, or believe anything anyone says.

Would President Obama support him? Biden has run for President before...why now? No its not easy to accuse someone of sexual assault. To win a case.


Thats a sad place to be.

[charley]

Originally Posted by Apocalipstic

If Bidien has committed crimes, I want to know the truth.
and if ideed he has committed crimes, the stakes were different in the 80s and 90s.....but if with no provocation he was fingering his emoployees, we need another plan.

I read 8 or 9 women. Did he do it, or is this Russing Troll info. I honesly dont know, or believe anything anyone says.

Would President Obama support him? Biden has run for President before...why now? No its not easy to accuse someone of sexual assault. To win a case.

Thats a sad place to be.

I heard yesterday that Biden would appear on "Morning Joe", so I watched this morning. Mika was the one who grilled (to put it mildly) Biden. He categorically denied the assault.

Apart from "he said, she said", my "takeaway" from listening attentively to the above was the hypocrisy of Biden who really pushed for a stance to "believe" a priori Christine Blasey Ford's testimony accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. I call it hypocrisy because he hedged Mika's grilling on his previous comments during Kavanaugh's nomination. It was, to my mind, an unsurprising double standard response on Biden's part. Biden is a politician, eh? (lol, smh)

part of transcript:

MB: ..."You said if someone like Dr. Ford were to come out, the essence of what she is saying has to be believed, has to be real. Why, why, why, why is it real for Dr. Ford but not for Tara Reade?"
....

JB: ..."And if there’s anything that makes it — that is consistent with what’s being said, and she makes the case or the case is made, then it should be believed"...

What I got from this is that he is saying that he is innocent until he is proven guilty; it's here that I make my little scoffing cough...

MB: "Well, I’m going to try and ask many different ways. Stacey Abrams said during the Kavanaugh hearings: “I believe women. I believe survivors of assault should be supported and their voices heard.” Kirsten Gillibrand tweeted: “Do we believe women? Do we give them the opportunity to tell their story? We must be a country that says yes every time... Are women to be believed — are women to believed unless it pertains to you?"

JB: "Look, women are to be believed, given the benefit of the doubt. If they come forward and say something that is, that they said happened to them, they should start off with the presumption they’re telling the truth. Then you have to look at the circumstances and the facts. And the facts in this case do not exist. They never happened, and there’s so many inconsistencies in what has been said in this case. So yes, look at the facts, and I assure you it did not happen. Period. Period."

Of course, this went on, but the interesting part was when Mika insisted that a search of the name "Tara Reade" in the University of Delaware records be done to find proof/mention of some accusation by her, etc. To which, again, Biden rationalized that such records contained only info that was political in nature and left it at that.

All I can say is that idk what happened, but I was not impressed by Biden's response.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/01/u...ade-msnbc.html

[BullDog]

There is plenty of evidence to show how unbelievable Reader's accusation is if you bother to look.

Believing women means taking what they seriously and investigating it - not believing every story someone comes up with.

First of all, Biden was thoroughly vetted to be President Obama's Vice President. I have no doubt they were thorough.

Reade's story has changed many, many times.

Time's Up Legal Defense Fund referred her to multiple attorneys at the National Women's Law Center and every single one of the attorneys declined to take her case. They said she was asking for PR help - not legal representation.

Ronan Farrow, Jodi Kantor, and Megan Twohey all did extensive interviews with her and decided not to report her story because of the unsubstantiated claims and inconsistencies. They all won Pulitzer Prizes for covering the Weinstein investigation.

In 2009 - after the alleged assault she praised Biden for sponsoring the Violence Against Women's Act

She has written multiple pieces praising Russia and Putin and claimed Putin was secretly in love with her.

Supposedly she has also stolen from a charity.

She is NOT credible.

Democrats do have a very formidable enemy - Trump and the Republicans. But who needs one when they constantly shoot themselves in the foot.

This is NOT a credible story and it's not going to bring St. Bernard's campaign back to life.

[Baby_Yoda]

I am going to say this one time... I am voting for whichever Democrat is on the ballot. Whatever stories and allegations that come up against that person can not be worse than those about Trump. Political standing aside, any of them that started campaigning, whether dropped out or still running, would make a way better president than Trump. Aside from that, voting for a third party or not voting at all might as well be counted as a vote for Trump at this point. Anyone that does not want Trump as president for another 4 years, should do the same.

[~ocean]

The baboon could be up for an IMPEACHMET ll << yes 2nd impeachment !! FBI from what I read has the goods on Dolly Hands ( ty Spectre )and Russia ~

[Baby_Yoda]

Originally Posted by ~ocean

The baboon could be up for an IMPEACHMET ll << yes 2nd impeachment !! FBI from what I read has the goods on Dolly Hands ( ty Spectre )and Russia ~

An impeachment is not worth the cost or time for the proceedings. Senate will not convict no matter the proof provided for any charges brought nor will his base ever recognize the truth.

[Kelt]

Originally Posted by Baby_Yoda

I am going to say this one time... I am voting for whichever Democrat is on the ballot. Whatever stories and allegations that come up against that person can not be worse than those about Trump. Political standing aside, any of them that started campaigning, whether dropped out or still running, would make a way better president than Trump. Aside from that, voting for a third party or not voting at all might as well be counted as a vote for Trump at this point. Anyone that does not want Trump as president for another 4 years, should do the same.

I reluctantly agree at this point I feel there is simply no option.

I am concerned by the fact that I believe we will end up with an appointed president. That is to say that whoever Biden chooses as his running mate will have a fair chance of ending up running this country and possibly before the end of his first term. In addition to a number of health challenges that can come his way at his age and in this time of medical uncertainty, he is showing very clear signs of cognitive decline. I can’t help but wonder if he is up to the challenge of steering this country through the next couple of bound to be bumpy years. If not, it will be his chosen and not elected running mate we will have to pick up the pieces. We are between a rock and a hard place.

[Baby_Yoda]

Originally Posted by Kelt

I reluctantly agree at this point I feel there is simply no option.

I am concerned by the fact that I believe we will end up with an appointed president. That is to say that whoever Biden chooses as his running mate will have a fair chance of ending up running this country and possibly before the end of his first term. In addition to a number of health challenges that can come his way at his age and in this time of medical uncertainty, he is showing very clear signs of cognitive decline. I can’t help but wonder if he is up to the challenge of steering this country through the next couple of bound to be bumpy years. If not, it will be his chosen and not elected running mate we will have to pick up the pieces. We are between a rock and a hard place.

There is talk of Harris being his running mate so even if something happens to Biden she was my first choice for president out if all the Dems. Of course nothing is solid in that yet anyone beats Trump either way. A 10 year old couldn't do any worse.