2020 Presidential Election

Martina · 05-03-2020, 06:08 PM

Hillary did not lose because of third party voters. Many more than predicted voted Democrat. The votes she counted on and didn't get were women in the Midwest who had voted Obama but voted Trump in 2016 and urban African Americans in Milwaukee and Detroit who didn't vote. She didn't even campaign in Wisconsin. People use that as shorthand for how she lost the race. She didn't fund the ground game when a lot of people, including her husband, told her there was trouble.

Third party voters were not a factor. You can look at the numbers and say oh if she had gotten those, she would have won. But you can say oh well if she had gotten Christians in Texas, she would have won. Those votes were never hers. The more mainstream progressive Democrats and Bernie supporters voted for Clinton. What's more, they came out in surprising numbers to do so.

homoe · 05-08-2020, 07:33 AM

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dark_crystal · 05-08-2020, 08:56 AM

I was terrified by 3rd party voters in 2016, to the point that i wrote about it when i started this thread

But i am closer than i've been since 2000 (Nader) to doing it. I was on the fence about whether the dem establishment rigged the 2016 primary against Bernie but they sure as heck rigged THIS one

BullDog · 05-08-2020, 10:21 AM

Nothing has been rigged against Sanders. Millions and millions of more Americans voted for Biden than Sanders because they think Biden has a much better chance to beat Trump. You dismiss the will of millions of Democratic voters. Most do not agree with Sanders or think he can win. The same was true in 2016. Nothing was rigged against him.

Sanders supporters are not the majority of the Democratic party. That's it. Democratic Party voters get to decide who their nominee is. No one is rigging it.

Sanders has helped to fuel conspiracy theories which make people distrust the voting process when things don't go their way. Congrats Sanders. What an American hero.

All this nonsense about things being rigged is such b.s.

dark_crystal · 05-08-2020, 11:57 AM

Democrats are not the majority of democratic party voters, either, i don't think. The majority are "lesser of two evils"

Martina · 05-08-2020, 12:48 PM

Biden is slipping in the polls.

BullDog · 05-08-2020, 01:01 PM

Every recent poll I've seen has Biden leading - especially in the swing states.

Here's the latest one I saw today.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...legrounds-poll

Martina · 05-08-2020, 04:02 PM

Slipping. Not behind.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN22I005

05-03-2020, 06:08 PM	#1
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,281 Times in 4,165 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Hillary did not lose because of third party voters. Many more than predicted voted Democrat. The votes she counted on and didn't get were women in the Midwest who had voted Obama but voted Trump in 2016 and urban African Americans in Milwaukee and Detroit who didn't vote. She didn't even campaign in Wisconsin. People use that as shorthand for how she lost the race. She didn't fund the ground game when a lot of people, including her husband, told her there was trouble. Third party voters were not a factor. You can look at the numbers and say oh if she had gotten those, she would have won. But you can say oh well if she had gotten Christians in Texas, she would have won. Those votes were never hers. The more mainstream progressive Democrats and Bernie supporters voted for Clinton. What's more, they came out in surprising numbers to do so. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

05-08-2020, 08:56 AM	#3
dark_crystal Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: jenny Preferred Pronoun?: babygirl Relationship Status: First Lady of the United SMH Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,445 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,532 Thanked 26,553 Times in 4,688 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	I was terrified by 3rd party voters in 2016, to the point that i wrote about it when i started this thread But i am closer than i've been since 2000 (Nader) to doing it. I was on the fence about whether the dem establishment rigged the 2016 primary against Bernie but they sure as heck rigged THIS one __________________

05-08-2020, 10:21 AM	#4
BullDog Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Dominant Stone Butch Daddy Preferred Pronoun?: She Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In A Healing Place Posts: 5,371 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 18,160 Thanked 22,639 Times in 4,463 Posts Rep Power: 21474857	Nothing has been rigged against Sanders. Millions and millions of more Americans voted for Biden than Sanders because they think Biden has a much better chance to beat Trump. You dismiss the will of millions of Democratic voters. Most do not agree with Sanders or think he can win. The same was true in 2016. Nothing was rigged against him. Sanders supporters are not the majority of the Democratic party. That's it. Democratic Party voters get to decide who their nominee is. No one is rigging it. Sanders has helped to fuel conspiracy theories which make people distrust the voting process when things don't go their way. Congrats Sanders. What an American hero. All this nonsense about things being rigged is such b.s. __________________ Love consists in this, that two solitudes protect and touch and greet each other. - Rainer Maria Rilke

05-08-2020, 11:57 AM	#5
dark_crystal Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: jenny Preferred Pronoun?: babygirl Relationship Status: First Lady of the United SMH Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,445 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 1,532 Thanked 26,553 Times in 4,688 Posts Rep Power: 21474856	Democrats are not the majority of democratic party voters, either, i don't think. The majority are "lesser of two evils" __________________

05-08-2020, 12:48 PM	#6
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,281 Times in 4,165 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Biden is slipping in the polls. __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin

05-08-2020, 07:33 AM	#2
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05-08-2020, 01:01 PM	#7
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05-08-2020, 04:02 PM	#8
Martina Senior Member How Do You Identify?: * Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: * Posts: 4,999 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 13,409 Thanked 18,281 Times in 4,165 Posts Rep Power: 21474854	Slipping. Not behind. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile..../idUSKBN22I005 __________________ "No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up" - Lily Tomlin