Politics-What's on your mind?

[Cin]

While Trump is very much responsible for what happened at the Capitol on January 6, and it's hard to imagine that responsibility for this terrorist attack goes beyond the highest office in the land, but it does and it's important that we, the people, understand that clearly. Their was collusion at the highest levels and I don't just mean the presidency.

Excerpt from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...m_medium=Email

A few things are clear.

One is that the Washington, D.C. mayor, and other D.C. public officials, explicitly requested that the federal government coordinate law enforcement efforts in the city and on the scene, and that these requests, made weeks ago, were ignored.

A second is that orders were given in advance by federal authorities that federal national guard forces should stand by but not deploy, should not be armed, and should not engage any violence if deployed, etc. In other words, someone in the Executive Branch, presumably the Secretary of the Army, clearly anticipated the possibility of deployment and sought to forestall it, and limit its effectiveness, in advance.

A third is that, as Maryland’s Republican Governor Larry Hogan has very publicly stated, when the Pentagon was phoned by him, as per procedure, to authorize the deployment of Maryland National Guard, he received no response for almost two hours, and then received a rushed response outside of normal channels.

In short, while the insurrection was going on, and Hogan had National Guard troops ready to deploy, and requested proper authorization, he was denied authorization. The Pentagon refused to authorize National Guard deployment for almost two hours while the Capitol building was being rampaged by rioters. There were decisions taken to produce this “nondecision.” There are authorities, and institutions, who were clearly responsible for non-action in the protection of the Congress and the enforcement of federal law.

There is complicity here at the highest level. And a kind of collusion, between the relevant Pentagon officials and, on the one hand, their insurrection-instigating boss, and on the other hand the rampaging mob, who were allowed free reign on federal property by federal forces.

This must be addressed because at this moment the county is in the hands of people who colluded with these terrorist groups.

[Kätzchen]

Originally Posted by Cin

While Trump is very much responsible for what happened at the Capitol on January 6, and it's hard to imagine that responsibility for this terrorist attack goes beyond the highest office in the land, but it does and it's important that we, the people, understand that clearly. Their was collusion at the highest levels and I don't just mean the presidency.

Excerpt from https://www.commondreams.org/views/2...m_medium=Email

A few things are clear.

One is that the Washington, D.C. mayor, and other D.C. public officials, explicitly requested that the federal government coordinate law enforcement efforts in the city and on the scene, and that these requests, made weeks ago, were ignored.

A second is that orders were given in advance by federal authorities that federal national guard forces should stand by but not deploy, should not be armed, and should not engage any violence if deployed, etc. In other words, someone in the Executive Branch, presumably the Secretary of the Army, clearly anticipated the possibility of deployment and sought to forestall it, and limit its effectiveness, in advance.

A third is that, as Maryland’s Republican Governor Larry Hogan has very publicly stated, when the Pentagon was phoned by him, as per procedure, to authorize the deployment of Maryland National Guard, he received no response for almost two hours, and then received a rushed response outside of normal channels.

In short, while the insurrection was going on, and Hogan had National Guard troops ready to deploy, and requested proper authorization, he was denied authorization. The Pentagon refused to authorize National Guard deployment for almost two hours while the Capitol building was being rampaged by rioters. There were decisions taken to produce this “nondecision.” There are authorities, and institutions, who were clearly responsible for non-action in the protection of the Congress and the enforcement of federal law.

There is complicity here at the highest level. And a kind of collusion, between the relevant Pentagon officials and, on the one hand, their insurrection-instigating boss, and on the other hand the rampaging mob, who were allowed free reign on federal property by federal forces.

This must be addressed because at this moment the county is in the hands of people who colluded with these terrorist groups.

I read somewhere yesterday that T---p gutted DHS's watchdog group which rings the alarm bells on high-watch National Security issues.

I also think this is a rally call to scholars in the field of Sociology, with cartography experience, in mapping the sequence of events which have transpired since T---p was installed at the 45th president.

How long was it, after he(TP) gutted the watch dog group until the acts of sedition took place? I feel confident that by mapping out each event with what transpired before (ie, firing key personnel, gutting executive branch special offices that blow the whistle on key serious issues, etc) one can see the real picture of how TP accomplished such horrendous acts of sedition.

If I ever come across a fantastic article which explains it better than I can or find a video which speaks to these very issues, I will post it.

But I think Sociological Cartography can be utilized as a forensic tool of discovery to build an air-tight case that explains how TP and bad actors helped bring these acts of sedition to pass.

Thanks for your post Cin, issued by Common Dreams. I agree: TP didn't do this alone. He had help and key GOP/Retrumplican's aided and abetted TP each day he has been in office.

[Cin]

Originally Posted by Kätzchen

I agree: TP didn't do this alone. He had help and key GOP/Retrumplican's aided and abetted TP each day he has been in office.

I think it goes far beyond Trump and Trumpism per say, I think it is a mind set the GOP has had for a very very long time. Dog whistle politics and the southern strategy are a ways away from storming the capitol but it is all connected. The DOD was involved here. To me that is very scary. When the Pentagon does not come to the defense of the Capitol building that really is a bridge too far. It goes beyond anything I could have ever imagined. It is nothing short of treason. How can people depend on the Department of Defense to defend this country for all its citizens. I hope we don't look back on this as the opportunity we missed. They all have been caught with their pants down and if they get to white wash this (pun intended) and put it all on Trump and walk away with a few sacrifices here and there we will have missed our chance to clean the government of these abominations. There will be another Trump and we see clearly now that the power in this country favors the alt right white supremacist movement. If we blow this chance we might not get another. I doubt they will get caught again like this. The dems control the house, the senate and the presidency or will in a few days. They need to appoint committees manned by loyal and trusted people to follow the money and find out who is funding these organizations. Every part of this treasonous conspiracy needs to be dragged into the light and severe consequences have to happen to all the people involved in this.

[GeorgiaMa'am]

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Former Governor of California, Condemns T***p, Capitol Rioters, and Fellow Republicans

In his address, Schwarzenegger compares the Capitol Riot to Kristallnacht in 1938 Nazi Germany. He accuses T***p of attempting a coup. "President Trump is a failed leader. He will go down in history as the worst president ever." He then accuses members of his own Republican party of supporting the rioters. And finally, he encourages public support of Democratic President-elect Joe Biden to bring the nation together.

IMHO, Schwarzenegger says a lot of things that need to be said, and which will never be said by any Republican in office who is afraid of losing the support of T***p followers. It's almost enough to make me consider seeing Schwarzenegger as a viable future candidate for president, Republican though he is. He makes some very good points in a stirring statement.

To see the whole video (7 minutes, 38 seconds), click below:

[Kätzchen]

Some things on my mind, while we wait for the USHOR to impeach the orange monster from psychoville:

A) Can our legislative body draw up and implement law to address political hate groups from forming a new political party? I wonder if it is possible because of the huge fracture within the GOP (life long Republicans abandoning thier party over incendiary politics which damages our country)?

B) Will participants of the riot incited by T---p be charged with Hate crimes, including those who carried a Confederate flag? Because, to me, by far, this sinister act against the government and all its people is a White Nationalist Supremacy attack and I feel strongly that these people should be listed as a hate group that should never be tolerated by our democracy.

[Cin]

I am concerned why the request by the Capitol Police to have the National Guard at the ready on Jan 6 was refused because of optics.

I'm really concerned with finding out why the Department of Defense did not respond to requests for help when the Capitol was attacked.

The Department of Defense is responsible for national security. Why did they do such a piss poor job? Why did they refuse to respond to requests for assistance from the former Capitol Police Chief, the DC Mayor and the Governor of Maryland?

If we don't hold them accountable and figure out who the traitors are in the Pentagon how can we feel our capitol is safe when these people attack again.


https://news.yahoo.com/former-capito...144732071.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ot/6618084002/

Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said he requested that the National Guard be placed on standby in the days before the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol, but House and Senate security officials turned him down.

Sund, who resigned his post the day after the riot, told The Washington Post he had been concerned that the protest planned for Jan. 6 would be larger than expected. Sund said he asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the National Guard be placed on standby.

Sund said House and Senate sergeants at arms told him they were not comfortable with the “optics” of declaring an emergency days before the protest and suggested Sund should informally ask Guard officials to be on alert. Both have since resigned.

Sund said he pleaded for help five more times as the riot unfolded. A crowd of several thousand quickly overran the Capitol Police contingent of 1,400 officers at the scene.

“If we would have had the National Guard, we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive,” Sund told the Post.

Sund said the crowd breached the Capitol just before 2 p.m. A half-hour later, he was on the phone with the Pentagon, he said. Sund and others said Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, director of the Army Staff, balked at recommending that his boss, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, approve the request. Again, optics were cited.

National Guard troops arrived around 5:40 p.m., after the riot had been quelled.

Under federal law, the mayor of the District of Columbia does not have authority over the Guard. Neighboring Maryland must gain approval from the Pentagon to send its troops across the border into the District of Columbia.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said he received a call Wednesday afternoon from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., saying the Capitol had been overrun. Hogan said he authorized the mobilization of the Maryland National Guard and was ready to deploy them to the Capitol.

"However, we were repeatedly denied approval to do so," Hogan said.

“I can't speak as to what was going on on the other end of the line back at the Pentagon or in the White House,” Hogan said. “I was in the middle of a meeting when my chief of staff came in and said the Capitol was under attack. ... We were in contact with the mayor's office, who requested assistance. We immediately sent police assistance. I immediately called up the National Guard.”

“All I know is that we were trying to get answers and we weren't getting answers,” Hogan said.

Pentagon officials on Sunday downplayed Hogan’s assessment, arguing that even if the authorization had been granted, it would have taken several hours for troops to assemble at their armory and equip themselves to join the effort to control the rioters. Guardsmen generally require four hours to leave their jobs or homes for their armories.

[Kätzchen]

I would add that not only the national capitol, but the entire nation itself too.

How can anybody feel safe, especially people of color or any minor sector of American society (ie, the LGBTQ, aging and/or disabled, hearing impaired, etc) feel safe after the sitting president incited violent attacks?

I dont feel safe. My biracial African-American sons have never been safe from harm, either.

And I too worry, and share in your concerns, Cin.

Originally Posted by Cin

I am concerned why the request by the Capitol Police to have the National Guard at the ready on Jan 6 was refused because of optics.

I'm really concerned with finding out why the Department of Defense did not respond to requests for help when the Capitol was attacked.

The Department of Defense is responsible for national security. Why did they do such a piss poor job? Why did they refuse to respond to requests for assistance from the former Capitol Police Chief, the DC Mayor and the Governor of Maryland?

If we don't hold them accountable and figure out who the traitors are in the Pentagon how can we feel our capitol is safe when these people attack again.


https://news.yahoo.com/former-capito...144732071.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ot/6618084002/

Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund said he requested that the National Guard be placed on standby in the days before the deadly riot at the U.S. Capitol, but House and Senate security officials turned him down.

Sund, who resigned his post the day after the riot, told The Washington Post he had been concerned that the protest planned for Jan. 6 would be larger than expected. Sund said he asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the National Guard be placed on standby.

Sund said House and Senate sergeants at arms told him they were not comfortable with the “optics” of declaring an emergency days before the protest and suggested Sund should informally ask Guard officials to be on alert. Both have since resigned.

Sund said he pleaded for help five more times as the riot unfolded. A crowd of several thousand quickly overran the Capitol Police contingent of 1,400 officers at the scene.

“If we would have had the National Guard, we could have held them at bay longer, until more officers from our partner agencies could arrive,” Sund told the Post.

Sund said the crowd breached the Capitol just before 2 p.m. A half-hour later, he was on the phone with the Pentagon, he said. Sund and others said Lt. Gen. Walter Piatt, director of the Army Staff, balked at recommending that his boss, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, approve the request. Again, optics were cited.

National Guard troops arrived around 5:40 p.m., after the riot had been quelled.

Under federal law, the mayor of the District of Columbia does not have authority over the Guard. Neighboring Maryland must gain approval from the Pentagon to send its troops across the border into the District of Columbia.

Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said he received a call Wednesday afternoon from House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., saying the Capitol had been overrun. Hogan said he authorized the mobilization of the Maryland National Guard and was ready to deploy them to the Capitol.

"However, we were repeatedly denied approval to do so," Hogan said.

“I can't speak as to what was going on on the other end of the line back at the Pentagon or in the White House,” Hogan said. “I was in the middle of a meeting when my chief of staff came in and said the Capitol was under attack. ... We were in contact with the mayor's office, who requested assistance. We immediately sent police assistance. I immediately called up the National Guard.”

“All I know is that we were trying to get answers and we weren't getting answers,” Hogan said.

Pentagon officials on Sunday downplayed Hogan’s assessment, arguing that even if the authorization had been granted, it would have taken several hours for troops to assemble at their armory and equip themselves to join the effort to control the rioters. Guardsmen generally require four hours to leave their jobs or homes for their armories.

[homoe]

With a second possible impeachment of President Donald Trump on the horizon, some Republicans are saying his conduct in egging on a mob that rioted at the Capitol last week is worthy of impeachment or removal. Others, however, say taking action against Trump could inflame tensions further.

Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., said on NBC News' "Meet the Press" that he believes Trump should resign immediately, joining a handful of Republican colleagues calling for him to go. Toomey said that he believed Trump's conduct is impeachable but that the appropriate step is for him to leave office before his term ends Jan. 20.

R E A L L Y....this is a man who could not admit he was defeated. THEY must be living in a fool's paradise if they think this is ever going to happen!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-repu...220100484.html