Gulf Oil Slick

[Soon]

[Kast]

Yeah! Rachel Maddow for President! She'll get something done! Isn't she awesome?

I have to speak up, I can't watch my home country going down the crapper without speaking up to help the people understand what the hail is going on?... you realize that this 'spill' is in a media black out to the world? Well... I've witnessed many black outs, you see... there is no real 'free' press anymore - the 'main stream' media is owned by corporate America. They choose what news you've been hearing for years, yeah - it's a propaganda machine.

The more you censor the words of people the more fascist this country is going to remain. The people need to speak up now, more than ever in the history of our country, it's going to take the chains of the Constitution to unbind America or she will fall further into fascism.

There's a few pulses to what's really happening in America, on some sites with threads, if it's not too heavily monitored to shut the people up and where the people are allowed to speak, you can get better idea of what's happening - sites like Twitter and Facebook, possibly?

[MsDemeanor]

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

[AtLast]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

Yup, you do! We all do!

So, when will the campaign contribution lists for these GOP politicians be published with the amounts BP is contributing to them?

... right at this very moment!

When our we going to see that we MUST have publically funded elections!!! And now with the last SC ruling about corporations as individuals... we are so fucked!

Yet, the real problem lies in the culture we have created with corporate welfare and class. No way will publically funded elections happen in the US without change in cultural values and goals.

[MsDemeanor]

It seems that even Boehner and Cantor thought the comments were too much, and those two have set the bar really high...

linkyloo

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by MsDemeanor

Let me get this straight.

- BP spill destroys gulf environment, wildlife, businesses, jobs, health.

- President negotiates with BP for a $20B escrow account to pay damages.

- Republicans are outraged that BP has to put up money, apologize to BP.
linkyloo

- People still actually vote for these yahoos.

Proving once again that I live in the land of the truly stupid.

MsD:

I may not have posted this here before so I'll do it now. You see, you are laboring under the liberal delusion that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. It isn't. Let me explain:

Let's say that a Republican is walking by a burning house and sees a child in the window. He rushes in and saves the child. That is American can-do spirit and Christian charity at its best, proving that only in America would adults rush in to save a child because only in America is life valued.

Same situation except this time it’s a Democrat. She rushes in and saves the child. That's just Democrats wanting 'big nanny state' control over the lives of ordinary Americans. Perhaps that child WANTED to be burnt to death. Perhaps the parents of that child CHOOSE to have that child burnt to death. Who is this Democrat to 'rescue' the child? At any rate, the child should have the foresight to be fireproof. You don't see ME in a window of a burning house trying to get out do you? What happened to good ol' American can-do spirit.

You see the difference? In the case of the Republican rescuing the child is an unqualified good thing. In the case of the Democrat it's just one more step on the road to tyranny.

Now, as far as the tragedy unfolding in the Gulf. How we should frame this is sensitively dependent upon the party occupying the White House. Since this is a Democratic administration, holding BP responsible is yet another step on the road to tyranny. Perhaps the people of the Gulf WANT oil on their beaches. Perhaps they want to get out of the shrimping industry. Who are a bunch of Washington bureaucrats to say that the people in these industries should have to stay in them just because they say they "want" to? At any rate, we should let the market speak. If people don't like oil on beaches they won't go to those beaches and new industries will sprout up elsewhere. Looked at through the correct (read Republican) light BP is the REAL victim here.

If a Republican were in President demanding that BP make restitution would be a show of strength of the American President and a sign that no American is going to get pushed around by some tea-sipping English elitist. But it's a Democratic President so All Real Americans (tm) should see that the mere *thought* of corporations being held responsible is something so horrific that not even Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Usama bin Laden *combined* would contemplate such a thing.

Got it?

[Kast]

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Kam

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

Ummm....I don't even know where to begin. I think I'll start here:

"During a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, Gates told the audience that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions to almost zero."

This is NOT what Bill Gates said. What's more, the author, Watson, is wrong when he states that vaccines, reproductive health services and improved health care wouldn't have a *downward* pressure on population growth. In fact, it would have a downward pressure for a very straightforward reason--the fewer babies that die in infancy or early childhood, the fewer children women tend to have. Unless you are from a Mormon or conservative Catholic family, chances are your number of siblings is some number under 6. However, go back to generations born in the late 19th or early 20th century and that number will jump to 10 or more. My mother came from a family of 13! siblings. No member of her family had more than four kids. What was different? The 20th century improvement in medicine and public health.

The fact that both the main Prison Planet web site and the article (which is the ONLY reference to Bill Gate's statement about using vaccines to reduce population) use a howler of a statement and fail to link to the *full text* of Bill Gate's TED talk makes them suspect.

There is a great deal of non-trivial difference between trying to get to zero (or better yet, negative) population growth and an 80 to 90% die off.

Cheers
Aj

[Glenn]

Appreciated your opinion AJ. I think what Kam meant was that without oil or some other cheap energy source, there would be no way to sustain the population we have now. The math does'nt add up. Population was steady for many centuries before the industrial revolution when it peaked.