Gulf Oil Slick

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Kam

Cover Up of Population Control

http://www.prisonplanet.com/msnbc-in...trol-plan.html

Ummm....I don't even know where to begin. I think I'll start here:

"During a recent TED conference, an organization which is sponsored by one of the largest toxic waste polluters on the planet, Gates told the audience that vaccines need to be used to reduce world population figures in order to solve global warming and lower CO2 emissions to almost zero."

This is NOT what Bill Gates said. What's more, the author, Watson, is wrong when he states that vaccines, reproductive health services and improved health care wouldn't have a *downward* pressure on population growth. In fact, it would have a downward pressure for a very straightforward reason--the fewer babies that die in infancy or early childhood, the fewer children women tend to have. Unless you are from a Mormon or conservative Catholic family, chances are your number of siblings is some number under 6. However, go back to generations born in the late 19th or early 20th century and that number will jump to 10 or more. My mother came from a family of 13! siblings. No member of her family had more than four kids. What was different? The 20th century improvement in medicine and public health.

The fact that both the main Prison Planet web site and the article (which is the ONLY reference to Bill Gate's statement about using vaccines to reduce population) use a howler of a statement and fail to link to the *full text* of Bill Gate's TED talk makes them suspect.

There is a great deal of non-trivial difference between trying to get to zero (or better yet, negative) population growth and an 80 to 90% die off.

Cheers
Aj

[Glenn]

Appreciated your opinion AJ. I think what Kam meant was that without oil or some other cheap energy source, there would be no way to sustain the population we have now. The math does'nt add up. Population was steady for many centuries before the industrial revolution when it peaked.

[Kast]

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXd49G3daQ"]YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick[/nomedia]

[Glenn]

Not to mention the fires everywhere...Oh but then again BP is taking care of it so we should be safe.

[AtLast]

At this point, I am not confident with much from anyone about the ramifications of this spill. Not BP, not the government, not even scientists. We put so little into scientific investigation in the US, I don't believe that have even had a chance to do sound research in the techniques available to deal with this. Also, science is bought and paid for in this country every single day and politically impure.

[Kast]

Here's one thing that's needed - skimmers, except the U.S. has an environmental ban on them, the Dutch have been on standby since early May.

Ask your Congressman to get the environmental ban lifted on the Dutch skimmers

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/du...s-oil-disaster

[Toughy]

http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global...y-oil-skimmers

headline:

U.S. reconsiders Dutch offer to supply oil skimmers

please note: I do not believe ANY oil should be drilled for in the ocean at any depth.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

Not to mention the fires everywhere...Oh but then again BP is taking care of it so we should be safe.

Are you talking about the fire from the lightning strike or the fires lit to burn off some of the surface oil? I wasn't aware of widespread fires from this.

[Glenn]

Yes lightning strikes. If a freak storm sets all that oil off it could be a nightmare of horror. Oil can also form a vapor cloud of it's own if it sits long enough due to all the vapors/gasses built into the storm itself. A storm cloud that is so heavy it could self ignite and pour down acid rain. Also if a hurricane is a giant blender than lightning can ignite a oil ball that spews out anywhere.

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

Yes lightning strikes. If a freak storm sets all that oil off it could be a nightmare of horror. Oil can also form a vapor cloud of it's own if it sits long enough due to all the vapors/gasses built into the storm itself. A storm cloud that is so heavy it could self ignite and pour down acid rain. Also if a hurricane is a giant blender than lightning can ignite a oil ball that spews out anywhere.

Well I know there was one lightning strike on a ship and that a fire broke out because of it. I wasn't aware that this had happened multiple times during this incident. (I took your fires everywhere comment literally to mean that *currently* there were fires, well, everywhere directly related to this oil spill. I presume, now, that's not what you meant?)

[Toughy]

Originally Posted by Kam

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

A medical scientist researching air, water and rain water; care to be a bit more specific?

What pathogens? I have background in microbiology, virology and parasitology, so I would prefer details and specificity.

What does Tyndall Air Force Base (I assume that's what you mean by Tyndall) located near Panama City have to do with anything?

I would agree that, depending on the hurricane season, there is legitimate concern about what those storms will do in terms of washing more of that toxic goo to shore and what it means if any of that toxic goo gets caught up in the wind, rain and storm surge of any size hurricane.

I would agree there is a real problem with those folks cleaning up this goo on the shore not having appropriate safety gear. There will be and already are health consequences.

With all the conflicting reports from many sources, it's hard to figure out who is in charge when it comes to the press having access and what is staged and what is accurate.

The longer that well head spews oil, mud and gas the worse the scenario gets.

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popcorn.........

you can't be serious about some conspiracy between Obama and BP to have a 'little leak' for whatever reason.......really you can't believe that.......it's, frankly, a ludicrous idea.

I assume the fires you are talking about is BP intentionally setting some areas of surface oil on fire. They have been doing that off and on since the beginning. It is a common practice across the world. I'm not sure what you mean by 'fires everywhere'......could you explain a bit more?

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by Kam

I am a medical science researcher, I cannot tell you everything I know to be true - other than to let you know, this is what I do. I am currently researching the air, water, and rain water here, which I did the same in the South in America and have identified pathogens that are experimental in nature that came from the Gulf of Mexico - Mexico Beach/St. Joe, FL area. This is where Tyndall is, right where the oil spill is encroaching presently. I highly recommend that people in the surround States to the Gulf start thinking about moving out of the area, when the first storms come - they will be carrying very acidic/pathogenic rains. There is a YouTube out today and I totally agree with what they are saying:

MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

YouTube- oil spill - MOVE OUT OF THE SOUTHERN STATES you are going to get sick

When you say 'experimental pathogens' could you be a bit more specific? What kind of experimental pathogens? When I hear that phrase, I think of something very specific--like Fort Detrick Special Pathogens Lab specific. Do you mean unfamiliar pathogens or novel, deliberately designed anthropogenic pathogens?

Out of sheer professional curiosity, what is your research speciality? I'm very interested in epidemiology as my 'third act'. Have been fascinated by the subject ever since I did reporting on the HIV/AIDS research back in the early 90's and was completely hooked by Laurie Garrett's brilliant book "The Coming Plague". So when you said you did medical science research my ears perked up.

Cheers
Aj

[dreadgeek]

Originally Posted by popcorninthesofa

Appreciated your opinion AJ. I think what Kam meant was that without oil or some other cheap energy source, there would be no way to sustain the population we have now. The math does'nt add up. Population was steady for many centuries before the industrial revolution when it peaked.

Actually, population has fluctuated sometimes wildly. Population has been on an overall upward trend for the last 40 or 50,000 years (but that was easy because all of us are descended from a population of no more than about 10,000 breeding pairs living about 50K years ago). But with various diseases Europe alone had two or three big die offs from plague alone (at least one of those was half the population of Europe and that's just one continent). It is almost certain that we cannot maintain 8 or 9 billion people (that number, barring a catastrophic event is a fait accompli at this point) without technology. There are (relatively) cheap energy sources that could be deployed now but I doubt that the United States will do them in a timely or sane fashion. As far as agriculture the thing that would be *most* useful is GMOs but, for reasons that mystify me, people seem to think that there is a fundamental difference between taking the genes of one living thing and randomly mixing it the genes of another living thing (what we've spent the last 12,000 years doing with all our crops and the last 20,000 years with animals) and taking the genes of one living thing and non-randomly mixing it with the genes of another living thing (genetic engineering). Certainly from the gene's point of view, those are equivalent.

Perhaps you are right. I read the article that Kam linked to to be saying that Bill Gates was saying we should use vaccines as a way of culling the population but it is certainly possible that I misread it.