Kevorkian documentary on HBO

Rook · 07-01-2010, 04:33 PM

My relatives have a sense of hypervigilance towards me, if I make an appointment with a Lawyer they wanna be present, for any changes I make.
I've already told them, if I really wanted to do any life related changes, they wouldn't even know I had an appointment, because I know for a fact they will All try to throw a monkey wrench into any Plans made...

All of 'em have said if I loved them, I wouldn't allow DNR or euthanasia...
My response is usually 'it's precisely because I love u I'd do it, what about my suffering, my dignity? Endless days and night with u holding vigil, cleaning me, feeding me...and me unable to do or say anything about it?"
What I get back is "I'll do it all with Love"..

I honestly believe Jack Kevorkian is doing a wonderful deed in Bringing peace of Mind to the relatives and those who specifically request "Aid"...
However, I always stipulate..If I am to allow Euthanasia, if I am in such great Pain & Misery, there will be No cameras, no reporter, no nothing, just those who won't interfere & do Care/Love, in addition to the Doctor making sure everything goes smooth and right.

In some states there's a Lot of hoops to jump before euthanasia is Legit, but it's there.
I cherish my Life, true..
But, when my belov'd pets were suffering Greatly beyond the capacity of money for "cures", I let them go with a whisper of "You're very lucky, I do this with Love..."
It hurts for awhile, but I know they're at peace.
Why can't Humans be allowed the same choice?

AtLast · 07-01-2010, 05:03 PM

This is a very complex issue. I aplaud Kervorkian for setting the stage, yet, I want humane, sane and respectfull legislation for personal end of life decisions. Kervorkian's did not have some choices here that I bet he would have taken. However, some of his actions do bother me. But NOT a person's right to their own control over end of life decisions.

I have watched and been involved with my father, mother, one sister, my brother, a partner and more than a few friends die very difficult deaths. Most of these did not have to be as horrible as they were. Most of these did, indeed have straight forward legal directives. Yet, their wishes became a nightmare within the healthcare legal systems. When you are losing someone you love, dealing with this is just not OK. I now know that for my wishes to actually be carried out, it will have to be outside of these systems. This just isn't right! And pulling a plug is nothing like making decisions like with holding fluids or nourishment or antibiotics or medications that are in fact keeping the heart beating... not even close. And these are the types of things that go on far more often than taking someone off of life support. That is just not how it is. Doing some of these does indeed make dying more difficult at times (there is pain with dehydration at that level for example as there can be with starvation). A plug pull gives peace within moments and usually the person has no awareness.

It is time we deal with this in a manner that allows people control in death & dying when faced with terminal illness. I have deep spiritual feelings, yet believe that it is one's spirit or soul that gives them direction with their wishes and decision here. And a diety hasn't a thing to do with this even if the person believes in such things. These wishes need to be honored.

fiercegrrl · 07-01-2010, 05:08 PM

i am currently working on my advanced directive, DNR orders and i am not telling my family about it until all of the things i want are legally in place. it is my body and my life- i don't want their input on how i want the end to be.

i have a friend who has told me that if i reach a point where i want it all to be done that she will help. that she will tuck me into bed and kiss me goodnight and help me however i may ask of her. i think that it is amazing the capacity of love she is showing me.

but i have not seen the kevorkian documentary. i'm not sure i can. i watched the episode recently of grey's anatomy where a patient for assisted suicide and i just couldn't stop crying.

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07-01-2010, 04:33 PM	#1
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07-01-2010, 05:03 PM	#2
AtLast Infamous Member How Do You Identify?: Woman Preferred Pronoun?: HER - SHE Relationship Status: Relating Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CA & AZ I'm a Snowbird Posts: 5,408 My Photo Gallery Thanks: 11,826 Thanked 10,827 Times in 3,199 Posts Rep Power: 21474858	This is a very complex issue. I aplaud Kervorkian for setting the stage, yet, I want humane, sane and respectfull legislation for personal end of life decisions. Kervorkian's did not have some choices here that I bet he would have taken. However, some of his actions do bother me. But *NOT* a person's right to their own control over end of life decisions. I have watched and been involved with my father, mother, one sister, my brother, a partner and more than a few friends die very difficult deaths. Most of these did not have to be as horrible as they were. Most of these did, *indeed have straight forward legal directives. Yet, their wishes became a nightmare within the healthcare legal systems. When you are losing someone you love, dealing with this is just not OK. I now know that for my wishes to actually be carried out, it will have to be outside of these systems. This just isn't right! And pulling a plug* is nothing like making decisions like with holding fluids or nourishment or antibiotics or medications that are in fact keeping the heart beating... not even close. And these are the types of things that go on far more often than taking someone off of life support. That is just not how it is. Doing some of these does indeed make dying more difficult at times (there is pain with dehydration at that level for example as there can be with starvation). A plug pull gives peace within moments and usually the person has no awareness. It is time we deal with this in a manner that allows people control in death & dying when faced with terminal illness. I have deep spiritual feelings, yet believe that it is one's spirit or soul that gives them direction with their wishes and decision here. And a diety hasn't a thing to do with this even if the person believes in such things. These wishes need to be honored. Last edited by AtLast; 07-01-2010 at 05:06 PM.

07-01-2010, 05:08 PM	#3
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